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"When those radicals become the spokesmen for the religion itself" - I don't believe ISIS is the leader or 'spokesmen' for Islam and the rest of the muslim population would agree to that. Boi, take a seat! You are chatting horseshit.
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Guest
has anyone ever read the Quran or
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
>Chooses to ignore the immense amount of tragedies brought about by radical islamic terrorists and completely disregards all glaring correlations involving the matter >Accuses me of being a paranoid islamaphobe to the tune of muslims blowing up >"You're a racist hatemongerer REEEEEEEEE"
Gundabad1
Gundabad1
@Suffy0 is right, goddamn im gonna like your comment so hard
Gundabad1
Gundabad1
You really dont see that you yourself are actually the problem here @Magikkarp . Keep in mind that the Jews are killing innocent civilians, thus you're just as bad as ISIS :}
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
I agree that its an overgeneralized comment that could be taken in a derogatory manner. Thats on me.
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Guest
^ Saying that doesn't mean you've 'won' or you've 'stumped me'. I don't have time to waste on an online person and debating with you when it will only get nowhere and escalate into something that is not needed. Thank you, I've said what I needed to say and I'll leave it at that.
craftking178
craftking178
Apparently radical means "true to your faith" now, instead of "over the top" "Radical Jews" are Jews who follow the Law, like the Torah tells them to. "Radical Christians" are Christians who reach out to the lost to lead them back, like the bible tells them to. "Radical Muslims" behead and chop off fingers, like the Quran tells them to.
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1488
You're an idiot.
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
>Doesn't mention anything about the Jews in his post but is suddenly responsible for the entirety of the claimed atrocities >Maturely makes the distinction in his responses to the people he is debating between the average muslim and the culpable radicals that manage to make the religion synonymous with violence and terror thus acknowledging that the average muslim is not at fault for this >Mfw
Fr_
Fr_
Instead of fighting over opinions and what is hateful or not, let's consider hard facts instead. Far from all Muslims are terrorists, but the culture and its radicals have come to the point where it occurs on a regular basis. Allowing a bunch of good refugees will inevitably open up the doors for a few bad ones too. Not allowing these large streams of refugees is the only way to prevent terror attacks from happening in Western countries, as things are looking today. This is not my opinion, it's just a fact. There are many more sustainable long-term solutions, but on a short term, the only thing that works is to keep them out.
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
[user]14136520[/user] I suggest you source your claims. Such a statement without evidence (as I'm positive there exists for) will be readily debunked as idiotic.
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
Exactly. Fr I can't begin to comprehend why certain people will simply rush to their aid and immediately justify while ignoring such an obvious FACT.
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
[user]11311573[/user] where are the leaders of islam and the muslim community in this crisis? What are they doing to combat this tide of extremism. I'm not asking them to lay down their lives and start going out on terrorist manhunts but for the love of G-d can some clergy member of their faith rise up and lead your regular devout believer against them
Ripleyjones
Ripleyjones
People rush immediately to the aid of refugees because we would want the same reaction if something were to happen to us. If the United States suffered a catastrophic disaster in the next 24 hours, we would hope that other countries would open their borders to relieve our suffering. Screw nationalism, people need to put people before country. Can you imagine witnessing your friends and family being murdered around you by bombs sent by organizations justifying their actions with you religion? Can you imagine fleeing for your life to a neighboring country, only to be turned away because you are being associated with the same people who turned your religion against you and killed your family? To turn these refugees away is to condemn them to their fate, and history will not look kindly on us for turning our backs. I don't have the answer, but that there is the reason, Magikkarp, that people are having such a hard time making this decision you claim is easy.
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
Its not an easy decision and to be honest neither is it a normal one. The converse argument is that the same people allowing the influx of refugees are allowing or setting the stage for the death of their own citizens. Moreso it wouldn't be so bad that we let them in if the media didn't keep publicizing and disseminating the narrative that the western world and its leader(s) are evil racist islamaphobes. The same people screaming "let them in" are the ones that ironically make them hate us even more than ISIS tells them to. They have no leadership, no one to mitigate the ire thats inflamed in them by these terrorist groups (that in a fitting sense also came about by a power and leadership absence). It's a recipe for disaster to thoughtlessly permit entry to people that want us dead, our country demolished, and our culture erased. They hate the west, they hate freedom, and by G-d they certainly hate me.
Magikkarp
Magikkarp
replace the world normal with moral
craftking178
craftking178
Refugee crisis: refugees do NOT want to go to new countries. They DO NOT want to leave. When we say "you can come here" they really don't care at all. When we say "we are going to blow your enemies off the face of the planet so you can stay at home" they become happy
Hirdragnur
Hirdragnur
Okay, speaking up as a Christian here, radical Christians are not the people who, as you say, reach out to the lost. Those are just Christians. They're the ones who go and bomb abortion clinics or do horrible things in the name of God. If that was meant to be sarcastic, though, then someone please tell me because I'm clueless.
craftking178
craftking178
@Hirdragnur the phrase "radical Christianity" is a rather dumb one. It should be used to describe those you spoke of, but the US media calls any Christian who actually does what a Christian I supposed to do a "radical" one. As if we are appalling by helping others xD likewise, they call Jihadists radical, but they are also doing as their book tells
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