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this world is gonna become 1984 if this keeps on happening

Facebook played a large part in spreading conservative-leaning fake news, and FOX has a popular youtube channel, and many conservative groups and individuals, like Blair White and PragerU remain on Youtube. Please try to reveal both sides of the story, hey? Also, why were these videos taken down? do we know why? Was it a copywrite violation of a channel?

By Fox I mean Fox News

Looks like Ruby's been drinking the Leftist Kool-Aid...

Listen carefully. I understand that there is fake news. However, not a single video in my playlist is fake news. I have hundreds of videos I could post, yet dozens upon dozens are deleted. I specifically avoid fake news and make sure whatever I save is credible and much of them are videos of actual events taking place. Why would Youtube censor events that actually happen or censor people’s ability to talk about them? This is more than just cleaning up fake news. It is a purge. Furthermore, just because a channel is conservative does not mean it is wrong. The fact that many mainstream conservatives remain on Youtube like PragerU and Fox News is that they are credible expressions of free speech and present legal interpretations of facts. The reason why the mainstream is often not targeted is because the general population has not been leftwashed enough to tolerate violation of free speech that results in credible mainstream conservative news anchors being censored.

Now to tell both sides of the story. Facebook and social media news, about 1/3 of the fake news on social media reportedly was liberal. Just because some news is fake does not necessarily mean it is conservative. And the amount of inaccuracy and extreme partisanship presented by CNN, MSNBC and other major sources since the beginning of the Trump era far exceeds that of Fox and mainstream conservatives. The Republican Congress has investigated Facebook and forced it to clean up fake news. But the EU has gone further and asked Facebook to eliminate and report posts and users that feature anti-leftist expressions, in direct violation of free speech. But back to my original argument, Youtube has removed significant data that does not qualify as fake news. The reason must be because some people are offended by facts and since the internet is mostly controlled by leftists, that political bias is showing up on the web, and manifesting itself in the form of biased censorship. There is no way that this massive ongoing purge of real news that pertain to issues of political debate was necessary for any other reason than to censor your information. The most common thing is leftists remove videos because they depict actions that would discourage people from embracing their version of reality. The EU will censor real events simply because knowledge of them could cause political upheaval. Now YouTube parent Google as well as Facebook is globally censoring our information.

I am not truly conservative or liberal. And with the growth of leftism in the west, the growing idealogical unfairness and imbalance in today’s western civilization is a real thing that must be acknowledged. Many moderates fail to acknowledge this. And it is exacerbated by the polarizing effects it results in as people defend their beliefs. And it is not the first time in history such events have transpired. One ideology seeks to dominate another. But proper understanding of history teaches us that ideological warfare, imbalance and prejudice leads to disenfranchisement and discrimination. And that striking down freedoms leads to disasters for human rights, and we don’t want that.

Response to Mr. President: I did not accuse what you were watching of anything. I simply disputed your claim that the aforementioned sites censor the right and promote the left. You also did not provide a response to my questions. I never said they took it down due to fake news. I suggested it may have been due to copyright (please ignore my initial "copywrite") violations or other issues. [1/3]

Citation needed for all numerical facts and claims, please. If I cite Politifact, a well-known and fairly universally-trusted source, you will see that Fox News is less reliable than CNN and NBC. Forgive me for not hyperlinking, I don't know how to on Enjin. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/ https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/nbc/ https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/ I acknowledge that it was mainly Republican Congress that investigated the *privacy issues* that Facebook posed. However, I cannot find a single source that says Congress investigated Facebook for any sort of fake news. Also, political leanings are considered "sensitive" under the GDPR, and companies have to be careful with the collection and storage of such information. I'll admit, my Googling skills are occasionally less than satisfactory, I'll be glad to read any credible articles :) Also, see first reply.

I find it confusing that you criticize liberals, support our real president, who insults Democrats and liberals based on their appearances and has made sexist comments, and then say that you are neither liberal or conservative. I do, however, understand that political views evolve and change, and that you are likely a young person, so I will not hold you to that. It seems to me that in the space of politics, it's a constant battle of ideologies trying to gain more followers than others. How else do you explain campaigning and rallies? I also believe that you will see more conservatives insulting liberals than you will find vice versa, but that is a matter of subjectivity and it varies in different social circles. However, you see more of the President forming personal attacks and insults about people than many other candidates and politicians. I agree that striking down freedoms leads to disaster, and I think the first step is smearing other viewpoints without facts. [3/3]

Also, Mr. Nightmare. *sips fact-spiked drink* This is factless Ad Hominem. If you wish to engage in meaningful debate, please feel free to @ me.

On YouTube There is no definite proof, only a strong correlation by Youtube's clear left wing leanings, admission to attack content even if it's within guidelines and it's parent companies actions. On Politifact: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/02/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-mercedes-bmw-import-cars-us-mil/ They specifically twist his words to speak about German cars when he was talking about EU cars. That is very clearly delibrate. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/02/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-doesnt-believe-e/ They take equal pay, clarify it as equal pay regardless of gender then declare he isn't for it because he isn't for equal pay regardless of quality of work. https://www.politifactbias.com/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/ These sources are very clearly biased, but all sources are and the arguments here are fairly good. Politifact has shown to have a very clear left bias and while I can't go through their entire list of fact checks, their data is very clearly poisoned and can't be trusted. "...you will see more conservatives insulting liberals than vice versa..." Possibly true, I don't have the data to know, but I don't doubt the young vocal section of young republicans tend to make the most noise and sling the most shit. However, this statement seems disingenuous. The right seems more apt to throw half hearted insults and memes, while the left has made real genuine claims that right either don't deserve speech, are evil within need of purging or are mentally subhuman. Hell, we even have the first press secretary in history to need bodyguards.

First section: That happens to DIY channels, Gaming channels, and dumb teens' channels. It has happened to some of my favorite channels, most of which relating to gaming and animation. Can you provide sources or examples that show this supposed correlation? Politifact hasn't twisted his words, he did single out German cars, even accidentally. Anyways, the point still stands that his singling out was wrong, and, though I'm not a car expert, the major brands he pointed out, which do make up a large portion of cars driven in the US, are still relevant under that assessment. Again, Politifact did not twist his words. He sidestepped an important issue which he has an unpopular stance on, as seen in recent investigations into Russia. It's only half-true because he didn't make entirely clear his point, and left room for interpretation, rather than just saying "Equal pay is good!" Also, looking to more recently than the campaign, this sidestepping did have an effect. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-killed-obama-s-equal-pay-rule-what-it-means-n797941 Can you give me an example of a highly-positioned liberal personally attacking conservatives that had no apology? I can bring up "Pocahontas", "Goofy", and others, just for Elizabeth Warren. This source is liberal, but it has direct sources to Trump's tweets. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

Whoops, missed a paragraph to respond. That second link (the federalist) was corrected on Politifact. They made a mistake, and fixed it The first one has already been countered.

On Youtube's correlation: A. YouTube has a Trusted flagger program alongside it's algorithm and has allowed the SPLC to participate. https://thinkprogress.org/splc-youtube-b4935309ba43/ Here's some info on SPLC's failures. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12129-014-9411-x http://humanevents.com/2011/07/28/isnt-the-southern-poverty-law-center-the-real-hate-group-2/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.f3f326cf505c https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/search-results (First result) SPLC is a very clear left wing group that has shown no problem with these actions until it has held legal consequences. They have even inspired hate (There was a 2012 shooting they inspired) in the process. so there is a very good reason to believe they would love to censor conservatives online. "he did single out German cars, even accidentally" Okay, I'm going to need some proof that his EXAMPLES somehow takes away from the fact that he was specifically referring to the EU. "It's only half-true because he didn't make entirely clear his point" Hillary made a "Yes/no statement" if it is "unclear" that is not a YES or NO and therefore FALSE. "High position liberal attacking conservatives with no remorse" I'm not talking about just the high ups, I'm talking about the overall culture behind it. Cultures that promote Antifa and BLM violence, and the 2012 shooting along with the that GOP candidate who got shot. But whatever. http://time.com/5320865/maxine-waters-confront-trump-staffers-family-separation-policy/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/03/05/tv-host-bill-maher-suggests-dick-cheney-death-would-save-lives.html http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/16/filmmaker-joss-whedon-goes-after-paul-ryan-with-profane-tweet.html

I haven't started writing my response yet, but I can't view your philanthropyroundtable results, I don't know why. I'll be happy to read if if you can give me a direct link or keywords or something

I could go into the original sources of this whole "liberal censorship" debate, but the OG has been debunked and proven to be lies, and I'm frankly getting somewhat tired of debating on this poor guy's post, at least having gone on for 15+ comments. I know it's unlikely that I'll change your mind, agree to disagree?