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Previously I had suggested a nerf to soldier because it could counter most classes, and was stronger than many point classes. some Voter classes are also stronger than point classes, which removes the incentive to earn points really. In an earlier thread tim had said

I disagree. Soldier is fine and perfectly balanced as it is. In fact, all other classes are balanced around this class, so if this class is too strong, it means we should actually be buffing the others because they're too weak.

link: http://www.empirewar.org/forums/m/5312442/viewthread/30896141-its-nerf-or-nothin-thats-catch-phrase-from-american-commercial/post/132226827#p132226827


Which is fine, I agree with that, except all of us have been repeatedly saying point classes need a buff along with some notable donor classes too. I will make a list, but soldier is arguably the strongest class (and if not the strongest, one of) in the game, and that seriously removes the incentive to play more. I want to play more.

Here are some tips, I have not added a poll because I first want some discourse on the ideas and more ideas stemmed off the ones I put here:
>Make spearman point
>Make uruk point
>give all point classes a decent buff such as a higher damage buff or something
>make it more clear what role each class fits with the according buff/nerfs i.e. edoras uruk chieftan whatever is tank, troll is tank, skirmisher is harasser/quick/light, any swordmaster is damage
>add a lot more variety of classes for point rather than just boring sword and occasional spear (donors get stuff like mage or medic, point variety, if done correctly, would not take away from that)
>add more windlass and other interesting map mechanics, like controllable catapult on old erebor

space for clarity

>fix glaring issues like osgilaith uruks having a swordmaster sharp 3 as a voter class, whilst ithilien soldier competing in damage as a point class.
>add a counter to morgul uruk on morgul called lossanarch axmen, maybe u heard of it xd no but srsly tho
>buff all horse classes (I saw that elsewhere too)
>somehow make archer more viable in combat

all in all, soldier is too strong of a class, point classes and some donor classes are too weak, I would love to see some more balance
 
Buff pike arrow damage for all classes since the one on Morgul is being nerfed.
lol are u crazy? Pikeman was never a killing class, its to support and disrupt enemy charges. If you even slightly buff this spear attack, it will totally destroy anything that would come close. It deals alot damage right now, even.
 
Yeah, no. Pike arrows are weak.

I have done tests with the pike's arrow damage against soldier and it comes in at about half a heart each hit (I have damage indicators trust me).
Everyone complains about town guard being trash for a reason. It can't use its kb and sharp pike in its mainhand without sacrificing the arrows and vice versa.
Apparently phalanxier is good with a team supporting it but I've never seen it effectively used in my time playing.
The only reason morgul uruk was a decent was because it had strength and could use the pike arrows as a spacing mechanism. Without strength it would be as trash like the rest.

A class that can't kill and is only meant to disrupt enemy charges is very limited.
 
Yeah, no. Pike arrows are weak.

I have done tests with the pike's arrow damage against soldier and it comes in at about half a heart each hit (I have damage indicators trust me).
Everyone complains about town guard being trash for a reason. It can't use its kb and sharp pike in its mainhand without sacrificing the arrows and vice versa.
Apparently phalanxier is good with a team supporting it but I've never seen it effectively used in my time playing.
The only reason morgul uruk was a decent was because it had strength and could use the pike arrows as a spacing mechanism. Without strength it would be as trash like the rest.

A class that can't kill and is only meant to disrupt enemy charges is very limited.

I agree piki is weak but uruk shows us a good example of what pike could be. why not just make all pikes like morgul uruk?
 
Soldier is nowhere close to the strongest class in the game.
You can easily beat it with spearman, ranger, mage, archer (sometimes), troll, halberd, berserker, royal guard, hammerer, bonebreaker (on stairs), reaver & possibly more.

We have been working on balancing point classes, buffing some, and nerfing others. Just generally saying buff all point classes is not going to help us at all, as some of them are already far stronger than normal classes.


Buff pike arrow damage for all classes since the one on Morgul is being nerfed.

No. Pikeman was never a killing class, its to support and disrupt enemy charges.
 
Soldier is nowhere close to the strongest class in the game.
You can easily beat it with spearman, ranger, mage, archer (sometimes), troll, halberd, berserker, royal guard, hammerer, bonebreaker (on stairs), reaver & possibly more.

We have been working on balancing point classes, buffing some, and nerfing others. Just generally saying buff all point classes is not going to help us at all, as some of them are already far stronger than normal classes.


[quote user_id="8653932" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/TheWitchGuy/74.png" name="TheWitchGuy"]Buff pike arrow damage for all classes since the one on Morgul is being nerfed.

No. Pikeman was never a killing class, its to support and disrupt enemy charges.[/quote]
Thats exactly what I said, you simply cannot make a class with insane reach and knockback, a killing class. It will break the balance of teams.
 
Soldier is nowhere close to the strongest class in the game.
You can easily beat it with spearman, ranger, mage, archer (sometimes), troll, halberd, berserker, royal guard, hammerer, bonebreaker (on stairs), reaver & possibly more.

We have been working on balancing point classes, buffing some, and nerfing others. Just generally saying buff all point classes is not going to help us at all, as some of them are already far stronger than normal classes.


[quote user_id="8653932" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/TheWitchGuy/74.png" name="TheWitchGuy"]Buff pike arrow damage for all classes since the one on Morgul is being nerfed.

No. Pikeman was never a killing class, its to support and disrupt enemy charges.[/quote]


I have noticed a good effort in balance, but I can still list things wrong with point classes such as warg rider, town guard, hammerer is ok but not too strong. I do like the fact that morgul uruk has been nerfed heavily, that makes me happy.
 
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