If all of middle earth fought to the death, who would win?
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mordor because the free people are not united against them anymore.
*cackles*
Mordor was actually at "magic fire" technological lvl. From others book there's note that they was working on airplanes(without engine ones, but still. Something like gliders). And they was having something called tactics.
lol if someone voted the shire
Tom Bombadil is not something you can predict nor something to trifle with. No one knows his true nature - he could be a man, a Maia, Eru Ilúvatar, or the reader himself.
However, even Tom would fall before Sauron.
Galdor said "Power to defy our enemy is not in [Tom Bombadil], unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills."
He would be the last. But he would fall as well before the darkness.
However, even Tom would fall before Sauron.
Galdor said "Power to defy our enemy is not in [Tom Bombadil], unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills."
He would be the last. But he would fall as well before the darkness.
Sauron your statement is very contradictory to itself you say you know not who tom bombadil which means you can not definitivley say that he would fall before The Dark Lord.
Tom Bombadil is heavily symbolic in nature.
The popular theory, the one I subscribe to, is that he is the embodiment of the will of Arda, the embodiment of the music of the Ainur, and the 'pure' creature created by the music before Melkor's poison set in.
With this in mind, it is easy to see how Sauron could gain dominion.
The first, the will of the planet, could be subverted and destroyed by Sauron if the forces that resisted him were vanquished. Want proof that it can be done?
Humanity in real life.
The second, the embodiment of the Music of the Ainur, is also symbolic. Melkor was the original corrupter of the music and his corruption is carried on by Sauron. If Sauron eliminated the last vestiges of men and elves in Middle Earth, all of the music would be his. The land and the creatures that walk it. When that happened, Tom would lose all power in Middle Earth as Sauron would control the source of Tom's power.
The third, the 'pure' creature (think of him like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden), is similar to the second point. Sauron - and through him, Melkor (and through him, Evil and Sin) - would have succeeded in fully corrupting what they originally touched. Tom would be the last part not left in darkness and the last to fall. This one requires a little more thought.
Basically, Tom is all-powerful in the limits he set for himself. He will not overstep his bounds, however. He knows his place. When darkness surrounds all except the Garden that he is within, two paths remain.
One, evil wins. The Garden is destroyed and Tom falls, having lost all his power.
Two, evil does not breach the Garden and neither does the Garden breach the evil. Sauron's influence withers and dies in time, and slowly the darkness clears. Good would seep out from the Garden and slowly restore life to what it once was - exactly like nature. How long would it take Earth to wipe away the stain of humanity after humans wither? Barring nuclear Armageddon and radiation, it wouldn't take long at all for nature to assert its dominance.
However, it would not be able to do it with us resisting as long as we do not breach the fundamental aspects of nature.
Even in the second one, where good rebuilds after many ages, Sauron still won, as Tom Bombadil is unaffected by the tramplings of his armies. Tom would merely wait out the darkness as Mother Earth would - scarred but not destroyed.
So there you have it - Tom's form is unknown and his true origin is shadowed, but one can be reasonably sure that he would not step outside his domain and aid any force in war.
The popular theory, the one I subscribe to, is that he is the embodiment of the will of Arda, the embodiment of the music of the Ainur, and the 'pure' creature created by the music before Melkor's poison set in.
With this in mind, it is easy to see how Sauron could gain dominion.
The first, the will of the planet, could be subverted and destroyed by Sauron if the forces that resisted him were vanquished. Want proof that it can be done?
Humanity in real life.
The second, the embodiment of the Music of the Ainur, is also symbolic. Melkor was the original corrupter of the music and his corruption is carried on by Sauron. If Sauron eliminated the last vestiges of men and elves in Middle Earth, all of the music would be his. The land and the creatures that walk it. When that happened, Tom would lose all power in Middle Earth as Sauron would control the source of Tom's power.
The third, the 'pure' creature (think of him like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden), is similar to the second point. Sauron - and through him, Melkor (and through him, Evil and Sin) - would have succeeded in fully corrupting what they originally touched. Tom would be the last part not left in darkness and the last to fall. This one requires a little more thought.
Basically, Tom is all-powerful in the limits he set for himself. He will not overstep his bounds, however. He knows his place. When darkness surrounds all except the Garden that he is within, two paths remain.
One, evil wins. The Garden is destroyed and Tom falls, having lost all his power.
Two, evil does not breach the Garden and neither does the Garden breach the evil. Sauron's influence withers and dies in time, and slowly the darkness clears. Good would seep out from the Garden and slowly restore life to what it once was - exactly like nature. How long would it take Earth to wipe away the stain of humanity after humans wither? Barring nuclear Armageddon and radiation, it wouldn't take long at all for nature to assert its dominance.
However, it would not be able to do it with us resisting as long as we do not breach the fundamental aspects of nature.
Even in the second one, where good rebuilds after many ages, Sauron still won, as Tom Bombadil is unaffected by the tramplings of his armies. Tom would merely wait out the darkness as Mother Earth would - scarred but not destroyed.
So there you have it - Tom's form is unknown and his true origin is shadowed, but one can be reasonably sure that he would not step outside his domain and aid any force in war.
Gandalf and Radagast are Maia-lesser forms of the Valar (BTW Sauron was one of the Maia). If Middle-Earth went to war, it is not unreasonable to assume that they would return to Valinor. Gandalf and the wizards were sent to Middle-Earth to stop the rise of/help defeat Sauron with the Free Peoples of ME. If all went to war with each other, Gandalf and the other Wizards would have no reason to be there; they would not be able to take sides with just one nation and abandon the others. Also, an interesting note: Gandalf was the only one of the five wizards who actually completed his mission on ME; the other wizards were corrupted, disappeared, or, in Radagast's case, ultimetly abandoned the original mission.
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That deserves a double vote. too bad I can only vote on it once.
Wish we could know what Tom bombadil really is, or who, but Wasnt ever explained by tolkein.
this one is obvious. MORDOR hasnt any1 noticed that when all of the men and (some of) the elves and every1 else helped out, mordor were only just stopped from siezing hold of power. if all were fighting against eachother then the power of mordor would be far too strong
1. Mordor was very disciplined.
2. There's a joke: "We are going to send small partisans groups, something around 50kk one." - and there's where Mordor would defeat Gondor.
You're joking, right?
The force that nearly crushed Gondor, and would have were it not for the intervention of the ghost army, was but a small fraction of Mordor's forces. Sauron is a Maia and known to be an extraordinary strategist among the Maiar. Were strategy required, Sauron would dominate.
Strategy isn't required, though. Mordor could be leaderless and would still have the forces necessary to carve up the rest of the free world.
Gondor is fraught with internal strife and the ascension of Aragorn will not fix all. Mobilizing would be difficult. Chances are only a fraction of all Gondor's forces would.
Corsairs, Easterlings, Haradrim, Uruk-hai, Orcs, Olog-hai, Variags, Naz-Gul and two Maiar - Sauron and Saruman.
Versus.
Gondorians.
Yeah.