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What bull crap. The majority of people seeking refuge in the West do not hate the West. You are simply convincing yourself that they do to make yourself feel better. We force stereotypes and characteristics on these people that are not in fact true. We convince ourselves that they are all extremists who hate America, that they are all vengeful radicals, that they are all sexists and racists alike. All these views of the refugees are simply misconceptions fueled by ignorance. These people are not simply one type of person we can categorize and shove into one box. They are not "villains" and "corrupt people". They are mothers and fathers, sons and daughters. "By God they hate me", what is your evidence of this claim? Have you ever spoken to a refugee? If your evidence is statements made by radicals preaching hate against America, then your evidence is skewed and biased. Craft, in an ideal world these people could live happily in their homes without fear of bombardment, but this is far from an ideal world. Contrary to what some gun-happy people may believe, we cannot simply "bomb the hell out of the enemies". Sure, that would be nice and I'm sure the people who also identified those people as enemies would be happy, but it's not that simple. You try organizing a planned attack on the radical Islamic groups in the Middle East and tell me how it works out. Couldn't possibly lead to a drawn out war with little visible accomplishment? So, until you geniuses figure out how to blow up the radicals, why don't we let the children come stay in our country out of harm's way, if that's not too much to ask.

I'm not speaking about the majority. Have you ever heard of the phrase "the peaceful majority are irrelevant"? It makes no difference if only a small percentage of muslims and observers of islam are radicals if that small percentage equates to millions of people wanting us dead. The areas these individuals come from have large numbers of radicalized muslims that genuinely do hate the west and to say otherwise is ignorance. Those influenced by ISIS (a small amount in comparison to the refugee population as a collective true but numerous enough to be quite effectual as recent times have proven) have greater numbers than you may be aware of. I invite you to look in on some of Ben Shapiro's videos on islam and radicalization in countries. As for the part of my statement where I make the claim that they despise me I will be quite frank. I'm a Jew, which means to them I represent the hellspawn known as Israel. To them I'm another long nosed oppressor of Palestine and that is fact.

For the sake of banter I had to do it

Ya dun goofed my friend.

I did not say they hate the west, I meant that they do not want to leave their homes. Would you want to pack up and leave every him behind, and go to a comepletely different place? It doesn't matter to them if they are welcomed or not, that's not the point. The point is, THEY DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE

Why don't we ask the victims what they think? https://youtu.be/s3uaf1NFxXc I'm surprised CNN let him speak anything anti Obama/Hilliary

@Magikkarp Ben Shapiro is amazing Logic > Feelings

You yourself claim that the radicals are of the minority. And you say that this minority equates to millions, which poses a threat to our society and way of life. Come here, let's take a quick journey through modern history. How many terrorist attacks have taken place in the past two decades or so? Certainly more than we would like and certainly too many for comfort. However, have been there millions? No, I don't think there have been. Let's also look at the type of terrorist attacks that have happened in the past two decades in America. Hmm. I see a white man with a gun gone mad, oh look he was born in America. Hmm. I see another white man with a gun gone mad, oh look he was born in America too. Home grown terrorism is as much of part of terrorism as terrorism from the Middle East, so let's not place all the blame on them, hmm? To reiterate my point, this all goes back to the fact that we cannot blame, and henceforth punish, the majority for a radical minority. We cannot place blame on the 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world, even if 5 million of them are radicals. Let's do some math. If there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and 5 million of them are radicals, that means 1 in every 300 Muslims is a radical. Currently, the US allows in 110,000 refugees, but that number is expected to decrease to 50,000 in the upcoming year. Some more math here, and we find that out of those 55,000, using our ratio from above, that amounts to a total of *drumroll please* 167 radical Muslim refugees coming into America!! Now I'm no genius here, but I think that's a hell'a lot less than 1 million, wouldn't you say? And to the whole argument about you being a Jew so they hate you. Why don't you try a little Gandhi magic on that problem and try being kind to your enemies and make the world a better place.

Religion IS politics. People only believe what they believe because of what they believe. Everyone has a political view and everyone has a religion

under no circumstances should religion be involved in politics

[user]14136520[/user] it is true they don't want to leave their homes, but they have to! I don't think you understand how bad their situation is. If they stay at home they will likely be killed by Trump's bombing or ISIS soldiers. They may not want to leave but they have to. Have you not seen all the stories about them doing anything too leave? People are getting on boats that are no better than a row boat and sailing 50 people across the Mediterranean and they occasionally end of drowning, because it is still better than staying where they are! So yes, they don't want to leave their homes, but ISIS gives them no choice!

As someone with numerous muslim classmates I am very nice. I'm kind and respectful to everyone. I don't stand in their face and scream "You're a cancer to America!" Who do you take me for Of course there are white men with guns gone mad. That is an unavoidable fact and I won't deny it. The question is that is it a statistical trend that if you are white then you will be a school shooter. You have to examine the motivation for these "white men with guns". Mental illness prevails among them, but other reasons can be the glorification and instant stardom that comes with it, revenge and retaliation to bullying or perceived abuse, and various other reasons. You will have scattered across these transpirations your radical christian school shooter, but since the christian faith doesn't directly call for killing infidels and there is a nigh absence of christian groups and leaders of them calling for extreme attacks that its a moot point; And no the KKK is not a valid rebuttal as they have lose every ounce of credibility with our actively taught racial tolerance education. Lastly it doesn't really make sense to bring this up as an excuse for radical islamic terrorists as importing these radicals only exacerbate the issue of domestic homegrown terrorism regardless. Now as for the point you brought out that a lot of terrorists are born in America. Thats true as well. These are the same people that are just trying to be devout and then are coerced into acts of terror by the massive propaganda platform that ISIS has and the media perpetuates. If you're a muslim and the entire day you hear just about every major news source and political figure blaring out "Trump hates muslims" and "Americans are racist villains" then of course you're going to hate said group of people. We dig our own grave by spouting such nonsense and all the while making mockeries of their culture by parading around in vagina hats and holding gay pride parades in the middle of the street. Do you think for a second that those that are radicalized or

@craftking178 Yo no comprendo. Sorry-o.

#triggered

I'm going to disagree. I look at -everything- through the lens of my faith. I don't go overboard and throw it in people's faces like others do, but I choose what I choose based on that.

Go you, then!

Well, I'll point this out. The bible calls us to lead, teach and help those who are lost. And it seems like they are being lead to kill and convert... I just think the term radical should be used when people are being harmed, as people are during these attacks.

Islam (radical or not) is simply not a religion of peace. The Qu'ran teaches some very terrible things which you do not find in any other religion. While there are some nice phrases thrown in there, if you have actually spent any time at all you would realize that the main theme of Islam submission and dominance. Verses: Violence against non-believers. Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Women: Quran (4:34) - "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them." Quran (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." I could find even more verses supporting my claims, but I would fill up page or two. The Qu'ran does not promote peace. It promotes violence and submission. All the radicals do is intensify verses like these to make them seem like they are against western civilization.