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I think that the class is ranger, but whatever it is, it kills the game.

It has OP speed, so if it gets down to 1/2 heart it can just run away, regen, and then kill you. It has OP barrage thing as well and has a stone sword.

Please nerf this class Tim.
 
I feel when the last thread was locked only 10 days ago, it is not prudent to bring up the issue straight away.
 
The fact that people see this class as a problem Every now and then clearly means that it truly needs a nerf. And funny how always the same people try to defend it because they use it 24/7 and cannot get kills otherwise. (Riku is one of these people and I bet he'll come soon enough to show his opinion again to not nerf it Lmao)
 
Gundabad1 said:
The fact that people see this class as a problem Every now and then clearly means that it truly needs a nerf. And funny how always the same people try to defend it because they use it 24/7 and cannot get kills otherwise. (Riku is one of these people and I bet he'll come soon enough to show his opinion again to not nerf it Lmao)
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I wasn't going to comment on this thread since its pretty funny watching people make threads on nerfing ranger after I kill them over and over but hey, since you want to invite me to this party I might as well join it :D



Gundabad1 said:
(Riku is one of these people and I bet he'll come soon enough to show his opinion again to not nerf it Lmao)
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Opinion? I've used actual maths to backup my argument while other players such as you're self haven't used math to back up their argument for a nerf.



Gundabad1 said:
The fact that people see this class as a problem Every now and then clearly means that it truly needs a nerf.
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Also its a little hypocritical of you to say that when you literally argued against the archer nerf for reasons of bad players being unable to deal with archer effectively and thus saw original archer as a problem. Might I add original archer and current deals far more damage.



The only OP thing about ranger is when multiple rangers stack up and all time volleys together, which is something NO ONE has brought up about the class which shows to me that people like you have no idea what you are talking about at all. A single ranger alone is not OP at all, and if you are complaining about multiple being OP, let me remind you OP class combos already exist such as medic + halberd and double shieldman.
 
Rikumaru said:
[quote name="Gundabad1"]The fact that people see this class as a problem Every now and then clearly means that it truly needs a nerf. And funny how always the same people try to defend it because they use it 24/7 and cannot get kills otherwise. (Riku is one of these people and I bet he'll come soon enough to show his opinion again to not nerf it Lmao)
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I wasn't going to comment on this thread since its pretty funny watching people make threads on nerfing ranger after I kill them over and over but hey, since you want to invite me to this party I might as well join it :smiley:



[quote name="Gundabad1"] (Riku is one of these people and I bet he'll come soon enough to show his opinion again to not nerf it Lmao)[/quote]
Opinion? I've used actual maths to backup my argument while other players such as you're self haven't used math to back up their argument for a nerf.



[quote name="Gundabad1"]The fact that people see this class as a problem Every now and then clearly means that it truly needs a nerf.[/quote]
Also its a little hypocritical of you to say that when you literally argued against the archer nerf for reasons of bad players being unable to deal with archer effectively and thus saw original archer as a problem. Might I add original archer and current deals far more damage.



The only OP thing about ranger is when multiple rangers stack up and all time volleys together, which is something NO ONE has brought up about the class which shows to me that people like you have no idea what you are talking about at all. A single ranger alone is not OP at all, and if you are complaining about multiple being OP, let me remind you OP class combos already exist such as medic + halberd and double shieldman.[/quote]
Nice excuse to join the conversation Lmao. Ranger beats Archer in Every condition. Far or close, it beats it. Now I think that it needs to be nerfed when people keep calling this class OP Every other amount of days. And I didnt tag you at all, so you would've joined this conversation anyway.
 
Gundabad1 said:
Ranger beats Archer in Every condition. Far or close, it beats it. Now I think that it needs to be nerfed when people keep calling this class OP Every other amount of days. And I didnt tag you at all, so you would've joined this conversation anyway.
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And this right here shows that you know nothing about ranger or even how archer works.

Archer two shots rangers from like roughly 16 or 20 blocks+ while ranger can only 2 shot archers if you shoot from 25 blocks from a high roof using both 1 normal arrow and volley which is hard to do since volley has a different arrow arc to normal arrow requiring you to quickly flick up you're mouse in order to perform this. In every other case ranger takes 3 arrows to kill archer regardless if you use volley or not.

Archer is a COUNTER CLASS to ranger from 18 blocks or more.
 
Rikumaru said:
Opinion? I've used actual maths to backup my argument while other players such as you're self haven't used math to back up their argument for a nerf.
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Rikumaru said:
Archer two shots rangers from like roughly 16 or 20 blocks+ while ranger can only 2 shot archers if you shoot from 25 blocks from a high roof using both 1 normal arrow and volley which is hard to do since volley has a different arrow arc to normal arrow requiring you to quickly flick up you're mouse in order to perform this. In every other case ranger takes 3 arrows to kill archer regardless if you use volley or not.

Archer is a COUNTER CLASS to ranger from 18 blocks or more.
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Got anymore maths?
 
TheWitchGuy said:
[quote user_id="7040062" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Rikumaru/74.png" name="Rikumaru"]Opinion? I've used actual maths to backup my argument while other players such as you're self haven't used math to back up their argument for a nerf.
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[quote user_id="7040062" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Rikumaru/74.png" name="Rikumaru"]Archer two shots rangers from like roughly 16 or 20 blocks+ while ranger can only 2 shot archers if you shoot from 25 blocks from a high roof using both 1 normal arrow and volley which is hard to do since volley has a different arrow arc to normal arrow requiring you to quickly flick up you're mouse in order to perform this. In every other case ranger takes 3 arrows to kill archer regardless if you use volley or not.

Archer is a COUNTER CLASS to ranger from 18 blocks or more.[/quote]

Got anymore maths?[/quote]

Sure, when I can test online today ill post damage numbers on ranger comparing them to archer in certain block distance intervals.
 
[user avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Rikumaru/74.png" name="Rikumaru"]7040062[/user] Add to the damage test how much damage spear deals to the ranger
 
assassiniv said:
[user avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Rikumaru/74.png" name="Rikumaru"]7040062[/user] Add to the damage test how much damage spear deals to the ranger
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Are you ok? In what way does spear damage to ranger even matter? It has no innate tankiness in the class itself, it has the same armor as archer does.
 
Rikumaru said:
[quote name="assassiniv"][user avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Rikumaru/74.png" name="Rikumaru"]7040062[/user] Add to the damage test how much damage spear deals to the ranger
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Are you ok? In what way does spear damage to ranger even matter? It has no innate tankiness in the class itself, it has the same armor as archer does.[/quote]
I love how you try to protect the only class you play. And I have never, ever truly seen a more broken class than ranger. Ive seen armoured Speedy Trolls rape the battlefield, nazguls in huge Numbers at the same time. But ranger is so broken Lmao. The special attack does inhumane damage. The arrows do 100% damage up close, you get a decent weapon (Sharpness 1 stone sword). And above all that, speed 1. Lmao. If Archer gets nerfed so badly, ranger Should be aswell.
 
Alright, done the tests on archer and ranger dmgs vs archer and soldier.

Picture to dmg chart


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(Tests done vs Freek_ and Gelek both using voter boots (protection 2))

Highlighted parts show 2 shot range using the same ability / ranged shot.

So what useful info can be gleaned from this?

Archer two shots ranger from 30 blocks+.
Ranger two shots archer from 50 blocks+ (volley or no volley).
Archer two shots soldier from 70 blocks+.
Ranger cannot two shot soldier.
Volley dmg vs archer = 5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs archer at 30 blocks.
Volley dmg vs soldier = 3.5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs soldier at 20 blocks.

So basically all in all, archer has alot more 2 shot potential while ranger has to land 3 arrows unless facing another archer at 50 blocks or more. In return ranger gets more survivability with speed 1 and self peel from volley along with burst potential if lined up with arrow into volley into arrow (which is 3 attacks).


Gundabad1 said:
The special attack does inhumane damage.
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Volley dmg vs archer = 5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs archer at 30 blocks.
Volley dmg vs soldier = 3.5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs soldier at 20 blocks.

Seems about right, since volley has less range than normal arrows, uses 5 arrows up and has a 15 second cooldown. The inhumane damage is the same "inhumane" damage archer deals from 20 - 30 blocks depending on what class the archer is facing.
 
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