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Class nerf

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Rikumaru said:
Alright, done the tests on archer and ranger dmgs vs archer and soldier.

Picture to dmg chart


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(Tests done vs Freek_ and Gelek both using voter boots (protection 2))

Highlighted parts show 2 shot range using the same ability / ranged shot.

So what useful info can be gleaned from this?

Archer two shots ranger from 30 blocks+.
Ranger two shots archer from 50 blocks+ (volley or no volley).
Archer two shots soldier from 70 blocks+.
Ranger cannot two shot soldier.
Volley dmg vs archer = 5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs archer at 30 blocks.
Volley dmg vs soldier = 3.5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs soldier at 20 blocks.

So basically all in all, archer has alot more 2 shot potential while ranger has to land 3 arrows unless facing another archer at 50 blocks or more. In return ranger gets more survivability with speed 1 and self peel from volley along with burst potential if lined up with arrow into volley into arrow (which is 3 attacks).


[quote name="Gundabad1"]
The special attack does inhumane damage.
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Volley dmg vs archer = 5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs archer at 30 blocks.
Volley dmg vs soldier = 3.5 hearts (stable at any range).
Archer deals same dmg vs soldier at 20 blocks.

Seems about right, since volley has less range than normal arrows, uses 5 arrows up and has a 15 second cooldown. The inhumane damage is the same "inhumane" damage archer deals from 20 - 30 blocks depending on what class the archer is facing.[/quote]
First of all, Seriously though, go find something to do in your average normal day after school. Because the time you have on your hands is Also inhumane to make these tests. Volley does not do '3,5 hearts' at soldier. It does Some brute 5 hearts which is so OP. For just 15 seconds cooldown. You have speed so you can basically run away from Anything. And arrows do Insane damage up close. Refrain now.
 
Gundabad1 said:
First of all, Seriously though, go find something to do in your average normal day after school. Because the time you have on your hands is Also inhumane to make these tests. Volley does not do '3,5 hearts' at soldier. It does Some brute 5 hearts which is so OP. For just 15 seconds cooldown. You have speed so you can basically run away from Anything. And arrows do Insane damage up close. Refrain now.
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I just gathered evidence to backup my claims on the damage being fine. I just tested the damage values today, and thoroughly tested volley damage, which btw often dealt 9 dmg to archer not just 10 dmg. How about you go gather evidence for you're ridiculous and baseless claims? I can't believe you are actually arguing with dmg tests iv'e recorded on the server with exact block distance values (which doesn't matter for volley as distance doesn't decrease or increase damage).
 
The class takes 0 skill to play and get an insane amount of kills. Just because it outruns everything and arrows do insane dmg up close. Keep saying that to yourself, chap.
 
Riku it seems you are forgetting something... Oh ya, players play classes like spearman and other classes with less armour. Those classes get a damage of 4-5 hearts from volley, 2-3 hearts from arrow and need 4-5 hits to kill ranger. This leave the ranger in perfect position to fight back due to the fact that he have speed and stone sword with sharpness deals more then diamond sword.
 
Also, you said that Ranger has to 3 shot archer, whereas Archer can 2 shot Ranger. If so, regardless of the damage, Ranger can easily avoid arrows (speed boost), and can just run away from anyone, whether it be an Archer, Soldier or Spearman.
 
Gundabad1 said:
The class takes 0 skill to play.
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No, it takes skill with accurate bowspam. There are so many idiots out there who would fail miserably with this class.


[quote user_id="14628767" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/assassiniv/74.png" name="assassiniv"]stone sword with sharpness deals more then diamond sword.[/quote]

What the hell? Really?

I think you guys may be losing your heads in this argument. I don't think Ranger needs to be nerfed in the damage or armour aspect of things. The only problem is its ability to distance itself from enemies while keeping up continuous fire. Whether this is just Riku's skill or the class remains to be seen. If anybody has had any problems with other players (or those players themselves) using this class, it would be helpful if they speak up now.

One other thing. Saying "Archer is better than Ranger" is wrong. The Ranger should be able to take out Archer if it gets close enough. That is the point of the class, close up bowspam and killing foes that are weak with the stone sword. This doesn't mean Archer is weaker though as it is used for shooting from a distance.

(Just trying to mediate here. I hope I didn't suck.)
 
I agree, ranger should have a nerf:


  • Take away speed.
  • Increase volley cooldown from 15 seconds to 60 seconds.
  • Make volley have a 'warm-up', i.e. when activating volley (LShift + Right Click I think it is) wait 3 seconds before firing the volley, instead of instantly.

These alterations will make it a balanced and unique class (as donator classes should be) rather than an OP pay-to-win class.
 
I have not even played against ranger, it sounds like it has the same problem old mage had. When you mix speed and a ranged ability that is instant you get a class that cannot be caught that can constantly maintain a safe distance from you while its instant ability slowly wears you down. Not that this is bad, the mongels used horse archery to great effect, shooting on the move wearing their enemies in heavy armor to exhaustion. its just something that should be taken into consideration when balancing classes.
 
best classes are soldier and spearman so why tf are we talking about ranger ?
 
miho47dwa said:
best classes are soldier and spearman so why tf are we talking about ranger ?
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Everybody has different opinions on which classes are best, as people value different aspects of PVP over others (melee strength, ranged strength, armour etc.). So for me, melee strength is important for me and more important than armour so berserker is the best class.
 
Rob said:
[quote user_id="5322587" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/miho47dwa/74.png" name="miho47dwa"]best classes are soldier and spearman so why tf are we talking about ranger ?
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Everybody has different opinions on which classes are best, as people value different aspects of PVP over others (melee strength, ranged strength, armour etc.). So for me, melee strength is important for me and more important than armour so berserker is the best class.[/quote]

And thats why you want a ranger nerf because ranger is the counter to berserker, not because ranger is OP (which it isn't).

Anyways after playing spearman, soldier and mage, those classes are just straight up better at getting kills than ranger is. They take less skill and give better results and if think the mobility of ranger is OP, mage has far better mobility. Recently not many have been playing ranger (at least effectively at all) and even I rarely play it now. Why? Ranger while being good in most aspects (minus tanking), it just doesn't excel in any one area as well as other classes do sort of like a jack of all trades, master of none type class. Mobility is worse than mage, dmg is worse than archer and burst is slightly worse and more unreliable than spearman. This is pretty much the reason why I personally stopped using ranger.
 
Rikumaru said:
[quote name="RobRem58"][quote name="miho47dwa"]best classes are soldier and spearman so why tf are we talking about ranger ?
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Everybody has different opinions on which classes are best, as people value different aspects of PVP over others (melee strength, ranged strength, armour etc.). So for me, melee strength is important for me and more important than armour so berserker is the best class.[/quote]

And thats why you want a ranger nerf because ranger is the counter to berserker, not because ranger is OP (which it isn't).

Anyways after playing spearman, soldier and mage, those classes are just straight up better at getting kills than ranger is. They take less skill and give better results and if think the mobility of ranger is OP, mage has far better mobility. Recently not many have been playing ranger (at least effectively at all) and even I rarely play it now. Why? Ranger while being good in most aspects (minus tanking), it just doesn't excel in any one area as well as other classes do sort of like a jack of all trades, master of none type class. Mobility is worse than mage, dmg is worse than archer and burst is slightly worse and more unreliable than spearman. This is pretty much the reason why I personally stopped using ranger.[/quote]
Its op, it needs a nerf. Didnt even bother Reading what you wrote lul
 
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