[quote user_id="649966" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/1998hazard/74.png" name="1998hazard"]ThuBioNerd's logic : makes sarcastic comments at all the other polls on this question saying they are stupid, then makes his own.
ThuBioNerd's logic: Gets tired of explaining to people on their threads why they are wrong and getting it treated as spam . . . makes his own thread so he can explain in an orderly fashion.
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Dwarves suck!
Dwarves are slow minded, greedy and most of them are really stupid; Thráin II (Thorin's dad) was stupid enough to ignore the warnings of the wise and intelligent elves and paid the ultimate price for his stupidity, the scene in The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug at Beor's house? The one where all of the dwarves were unable to open a simple 'up and over' door without the help of Thorin. And if this leaves you thinking, 'well that proves Thorin is smart and not greedy, right?' Hell no. Thorin stupidly risked his life at the end of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey by strolling down the tree to try and fight a large number of Gundabad Orcs and Wargs (for which he was gravely wounded and would have died if it wasn't for Bilbo), he is also overcome with revenge and greed on several other occassions throughout Tolkien's novel of The Hobbit and the current two film adaptations.
The only wise dwarf/dwarves I can think of are Dain Ironfoot and the other dwarves from the Iron Hills, Dain and his army arrive at the battle of the five armies and are the main cause of the crush of the armies of Mt. Gundabad and Dol Goldur, Dain's rule of Erebor was very prosperous and even held back the armies of Mordor and Rhun long enough to help guarantee t he destruction of the ring and the defeat of the rest of Mordor's armies at the Battle of The Morannon (Balin was going to be put on to this segment of wise dwarves as he was arguably the wisest out of Thorin's company of dwarves and kept these dwarves in safe hands throughout the quest, however Balin was foolish enough to attempt to recolonize an obviously Goblin and Orc occupied Moria, this idotic move cost him his life and his place on this list).
Elves rule!
On the other hand, Elves are fair and wise and on numerous occasions try and advise the dwarves throughout Tolkien's and Peter Jackson's works on serious matters, to which the dwarves ignore these elves' thoughtful words and draw the attention of a dragon from the North, a dragon who in one fell swoop takes a whole dwarven Kingdom (I, of course, am referring to the incident at The Lonely Mountain). Seeing the sacking of Erebor and the desolation of Dale, the wise elven King Thranduil took his armies away from the near immortal Smaug and returned to Mirkwood. Oh, and a company of elves could totally defeat a company of dwarves, depending on the terrain of course (elves could defeat dwarves on most terrains whilst dwarves are only recognisible fighters in caves, close quarter combat and drunken brawls).
If you are stupid enough to disagree with me, please reply to this message with whatever sh*t you can try and convince me with.
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Okay, so first Dol Guldur's presence in the Battle of Five is non-canon.
Secondly, that is stereotypical. Dwarves value gold, yes, but so do humans. The only difference is we WORK for ours. We are not slow-minded. We are not usually stupid. Thrain II had seen two of his sons, his father, his brother die. He had seen his kingdom sacked, thousands of his subjects killed. He went mad. And they never said the Elves were the ones who warned him. Yes, Thorin became greedy on several occasions. So would you. Hell, so did Thranduil and even Feanor. No one is perfect, not even the Elves. Don't expect them to be. And that was not stupidity, that was courage. They were cornered. It seemed as if they would all die. I'm sure you would have thought so, too. He courageously attacked them in an attempt to save his friends. All the Dwarves and Bilbo came to his aid, are they stupid? There was only one Gundabad Orc. The others were average Orcs (though they may well have been from Gundabad). I don't see how, even if this were true, it would be sufficient to condemn a whole species. Yes, Balin did act foolishly. And I don't see why Dain should be singled out. There were just as many Dwarves as Elves and men. And he personally didn't stave off the Easterings and Orcs. And his reign was as prosperous as any Dwarf king's reign - in fact, the only way he surpassed Thror was in building. The up and over door is irrelevant, as Peter Jackson's Film vs. original novels, novels trump.
The Elves never advised Thror and Thrain, and the Dragon was almost certainly unforseen by all. That's also true. We have superior weapons, armor, and tactics. We would be evenly matched in all terrain save forested (Elves win) and underground (Dwarves win). And Thranduil could at least have assisted the Dwarves - I don't doubt many were injured or in their senior years.
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I like how you say 'we' as if you are a dwarf in real life! xP Oh and I like that last remark, 'I have laid my shit on the table.'
Anyway, back to arguing. Dol Guldor's presence is non-canon, my mistake. However, I am mostly using evidence from the film (as I read the book four years ago ._.), anyway dwarves' greed for gold is far greater than that of men. There is a reason dwarves build their communities and even kingdoms around mining (The Iron Hills, The Blue Mountain settlements and mines, The Lonely Mountain, Moria etc.) and spend their time underground, their natural greed for the gems hidden in the rocks. Thráin didn't go mad because of the deaths of his family (Thorin even saw his father die in front of him and barely lost any sanity), he went mad because of his wealth (and power, the arkenstone gave him a lot of power). His greed for gold took over him, forcing him to make his subjects mine for more, and more, and more.
Until Thranduil warned him (I'm talking about the film's here) of what evil would be drawn to Thráin's halls full of gold ( for your information, Thranduil states this in the film as he talks to Thorin in Mirkwood, I can't remember the exact quote :/), but he wouldn't listen. And sooner or later he paid the price for his stupidity. And yes, I am making a generalization of the whole species of dwarves, as Tolkien and Peter Jackson don't exactly give you the personality and information of every single dwarf in Middle Earth, do they? Instead, they give you a certain number of characters as examples of how Dwarves' act. There wasn't only one Gundabad Orc, Azog and his company were all from Mt. Gundabad. Dain's reign was significantly more prosperous than Thráin's and Thror's as he didn't lose the Kingdom or live his reign in exile. The up and over door is relevant, as Peter Jackson's Film is my main source. Oh, and one final thing; Elves live longer!
