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Thu, you have TNT, all I'm saying is, be thankful, don't overuse it, you shouldn't have it.))
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RP Event of the Century: War of Erebor
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((I don't mean to quibble over pennies, but tbh I kinda would because without the tower those 10 would be in the city.))
((Is Tim rp sleeping too?))
After the Wise speaks, all time stops. The dwarves of Erebor and Iron Hills, the elves of Mirkwood and the Men of Forochel are behind a gate attacked by Gondor, the Shire and the Men of Rhun and Harad. ''So, when this thing will continue?'' questions Riko to beepbobit.
Ok, we'll continue tomorrow. See ya!
((According to your army strength calculations here, all of Tims forces add up to a total of 48. Thu's armies add up to a total of 35. Yet, when we subtract Rohan, which is a full 8, and Moria another 8 (They aren't here, MD hasn't decided anything, Tim would have marched before they could have gotten there even if he had decided), then the strength total comes to Thu with 35 vs Tim with 32. Suddenly Thu has the ability to win a pitched battle, let alone withstand a siege in a mountain. Also the Haradhrim originally declared for Thu as Andrew said, yet were suddenly changed to Tim's side for no other reason then their King was not here to declare. But if Andrew speaks for the King, why is his choice ignored? If that happens Tim goes down to 28 and Thu increases to 40. 3 of Tims strength is HOBBITS. What are they supposed to do? Also Superstorm pulled out his support for Tim which Beep denied citing that it was to late. Why? He did that before the event was launched. You seemed to be able to change Andrews allegiance during a massive Mumakil charge, why was that allowed? I believe this entire thing is flawed, and Thu is being unfairly singled out here for personal reasons between him and Beep. I move that either the event starts over or is invalidated. Also, is Dale being counted among Erebor;s troop totals, actually wondering this. Thank you for your time.))
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Beep, Ever's right in Every way (see wat I did dere). I demand you remedy this.
Beep, Ever's right in Every way (see wat I did dere). I demand you remedy this.
In fact, I demand a rematch, with CORRECTLY STATED FORCES. If these numbers had been correct, I would have done completely different things.
If we do a rematch then count Rhun out. Pretend we've been neutral this whole time.
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*Sits in his tree with golden leaves whilst spectating the dispute amongst those who would go to war*
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((According to your army strength calculations here, all of Tims forces add up to a total of 48. Thu's armies add up to a total of 35. Yet, when we subtract Rohan, which is a full 8, and Moria another 8 (They aren't here, MD hasn't decided anything, Tim would have marched before they could have gotten there even if he had decided), then the strength total comes to Thu with 35 vs Tim with 32. Suddenly Thu has the ability to win a pitched battle, let alone withstand a siege in a mountain. Also the Haradhrim originally declared for Thu as Andrew said, yet were suddenly changed to Tim's side for no other reason then their King was not here to declare. But if Andrew speaks for the King, why is his choice ignored? If that happens Tim goes down to 28 and Thu increases to 40. 3 of Tims strength is HOBBITS. What are they supposed to do? Also Superstorm pulled out his support for Tim which Beep denied citing that it was to late. Why? He did that before the event was launched. You seemed to be able to change Andrews allegiance during a massive Mumakil charge, why was that allowed? I believe this entire thing is flawed, and Thu is being unfairly singled out here for personal reasons between him and Beep. I move that either the event starts over or is invalidated. Also, is Dale being counted among Erebor;s troop totals, actually wondering this. Thank you for your time.))[/quote]
Look.
The reason I didn't let those people back out, is because I wanted to have a fun battle.
With the numbers you showed, look how easily tim would've lost! It wouldn't even have been a fight.
I just wanted to have some fun, I didn't want this to count for anything, just like the old RP quests didn't count for anything
But, everyone took it so serious. They pulled out their troops because they didn't want to lose their power or their people.
Thu in particular took it so seriously, that he pulled every string he could to keep his men alive, though I don't blame him since he thought his rulership hung in the balance.
The lesson learned here is three part
1. We can't expect to have big, fun RP events on EW. it's just not possible. Even I or Thu know too little about the Lore to write troop counts without them being biased, at least in someone's opinion. Also, a lot of things in LOTR are too good to be realistically RPed around (for example the gate of Erebor being invincible, the dwarf-make or elf-make weapons being overly powerful.) This tell us to, in the future, keep things to a smaller scale: small conversations or quests, country negotiations and interactions on a small scale, so we don't have to rely on everyone participating
2. We can't trust the people of EW to RP realistically. One has to remember that, when RPing, you don't just play a part, talk differently, pretend you're a dwarf king. You have to act like the character too.
I was expecting people like Dimitri and MD, who technically should've sided with Tim, to side with tim, but instead the remained neutral or sided with Thu. Other groups which would've loved a war instead sat out of the war.
Also, we are so inexperienced at RP as a group that power gaming, metagaming, every type of gaming except the one we wanted. This tell us that we need to, again, practice on a smaller scale, get to know our characters, before attempting a full-scale war.
3. We can't expect personal biases not to come into play. This is largely my fault. I really wanted tim to stand a fight, to stick it to Thu for taking control of all the dwarves, after all the work I did to keep it fair, have multiple leaders. It seems, to me, as an American, unfair for a single person to rule an entire race. You may notice that no one is King of the Elves, King of the Hobbits, King of Men, because that's too much power for a single person. While my main goal here was to have some fun RPing out a war, my secondary goal was to put Thu out of power so that we would have multiple leaders of the dwarves. I realize now that this goal shouldn't have been present, especially not in my role as DM.
I hope that Thu does spread power to the other dwarven kings, that he simply controls the Erebor dwarves and rules the others ceremonially, but my methods for getting him to do this were flawed.
I apologize for my failures. I will not be hosting a 'rematch' of this war, and I hope that no one does, for the reasons stated above. However, I really want to get RP back in the system. Whenever I can I will hold small-scale RP groups on siege, heading to locations to have conversations and develop our characters. We could run smaller scale things on forums, perhaps conversations leveling out their relationships, even perhaps more RP quests, but no more wars.
Sorry again,
Beepbobit the (not so today) Wise
Beep, you did what you thought was best for the community. You just made an experiment which didn't work out. It happens all the time. 
One of the things I think was a big problem is that EVERYONE was in on it. I suggest from now on both sides must agree to the war and we must keep it small - one or two allies. Most of the rp evens should be redundant, like instead of taking Minas Morgul or Dol Guldur, we take a fort in Ithilien which Haradrim have taken to waylay Gondorian supply trains to Harondor. See? It doesn't tip the balance, but it's fun. Yeah I pulled every string, and it may have looked like I was power-hungry, but honestly I just didn't want to see a Gondorian half-guy on the throne, especially the way he went about doing it. With your permission I would like to nullify all that transpired on these two threads and I suggest you start a much smaller battle, maybe two long-time enemies vs. one another.
One of the things I think was a big problem is that EVERYONE was in on it. I suggest from now on both sides must agree to the war and we must keep it small - one or two allies. Most of the rp evens should be redundant, like instead of taking Minas Morgul or Dol Guldur, we take a fort in Ithilien which Haradrim have taken to waylay Gondorian supply trains to Harondor. See? It doesn't tip the balance, but it's fun. Yeah I pulled every string, and it may have looked like I was power-hungry, but honestly I just didn't want to see a Gondorian half-guy on the throne, especially the way he went about doing it. With your permission I would like to nullify all that transpired on these two threads and I suggest you start a much smaller battle, maybe two long-time enemies vs. one another.
I agree with this.Beep, you did what you thought was best for the community. You just made an experiment which didn't work out. It happens all the time.
One of the things I think was a big problem is that EVERYONE was in on it. I suggest from now on both sides must agree to the war and we must keep it small - one or two allies. Most of the rp evens should be redundant, like instead of taking Minas Morgul or Dol Guldur, we take a fort in Ithilien which Haradrim have taken to waylay Gondorian supply trains to Harondor. See? It doesn't tip the balance, but it's fun. Yeah I pulled every string, and it may have looked like I was power-hungry, but honestly I just didn't want to see a Gondorian half-guy on the throne, especially the way he went about doing it. With your permission I would like to nullify all that transpired on these two threads and I suggest you start a much smaller battle, maybe two long-time enemies vs. one another.
Look.
The reason I didn't let those people back out, is because I wanted to have a fun battle.
With the numbers you showed, look how easily tim would've lost! It wouldn't even have been a fight.
I just wanted to have some fun, I didn't want this to count for anything, just like the old RP quests didn't count for anything
But, everyone took it so serious. They pulled out their troops because they didn't want to lose their power or their people.
Thu in particular took it so seriously, that he pulled every string he could to keep his men alive, though I don't blame him since he thought his rulership hung in the balance.
The lesson learned here is three part
1. We can't expect to have big, fun RP events on EW. it's just not possible. Even I or Thu know too little about the Lore to write troop counts without them being biased, at least in someone's opinion. Also, a lot of things in LOTR are too good to be realistically RPed around (for example the gate of Erebor being invincible, the dwarf-make or elf-make weapons being overly powerful.) This tell us to, in the future, keep things to a smaller scale: small conversations or quests, country negotiations and interactions on a small scale, so we don't have to rely on everyone participating
2. We can't trust the people of EW to RP realistically. One has to remember that, when RPing, you don't just play a part, talk differently, pretend you're a dwarf king. You have to act like the character too.
I was expecting people like Dimitri and MD, who technically should've sided with Tim, to side with tim, but instead the remained neutral or sided with Thu. Other groups which would've loved a war instead sat out of the war.
Also, we are so inexperienced at RP as a group that power gaming, metagaming, every type of gaming except the one we wanted. This tell us that we need to, again, practice on a smaller scale, get to know our characters, before attempting a full-scale war.
3. We can't expect personal biases not to come into play. This is largely my fault. I really wanted tim to stand a fight, to stick it to Thu for taking control of all the dwarves, after all the work I did to keep it fair, have multiple leaders. It seems, to me, as an American, unfair for a single person to rule an entire race. You may notice that no one is King of the Elves, King of the Hobbits, King of Men, because that's too much power for a single person. While my main goal here was to have some fun RPing out a war, my secondary goal was to put Thu out of power so that we would have multiple leaders of the dwarves. I realize now that this goal shouldn't have been present, especially not in my role as DM.
I hope that Thu does spread power to the other dwarven kings, that he simply controls the Erebor dwarves and rules the others ceremonially, but my methods for getting him to do this were flawed.
I apologize for my failures. I will not be hosting a 'rematch' of this war, and I hope that no one does, for the reasons stated above. However, I really want to get RP back in the system. Whenever I can I will hold small-scale RP groups on siege, heading to locations to have conversations and develop our characters. We could run smaller scale things on forums, perhaps conversations leveling out their relationships, even perhaps more RP quests, but no more wars.
Sorry again,
Beepbobit the (not so today) Wise[/quote]
I agree with this, too. If you need help i will read every single book of Arda, every single page on the wiki and even read the rules of D&D.
Seriouly what the f*ck, I get told I have Mumakil, Haradrim and Rohirrim, make a very good plan to take it, then Thu starts power gaming and my armies start saying they were neutral?!? I'm out of this, fcking roleplay game.
You guys can't play normal, Erebor is mine as I built it and the server is mine, or you find a different server to play on.
You guys can't play normal, Erebor is mine as I built it and the server is mine, or you find a different server to play on.
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