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[quote user_id="1406704" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/DruMaster24/74.png" name="DruMaster24"]If you look at history, America has never actually lost a war. :thumb: (We pulled out of Vietnam, we were not defeated, and it was never technically a war. The War of 1812 was just kind of messed up and confusing, but we did send the Brits packing a second time, so I consider it a victory as well.)

Just think of all those wars the various nations of Europe has lost. Oh my...

Well, that's your opinion and I can understand why you may think so. However, if you don't want to consider it a lose (concerning 1812), it was a colossal failure by the Americans. Not only did you attack Canada, or what was to become Canada, but you attacked during a time when the British were already engaged. That's a fact many Americans seem to forget. The Americans in charge of military affairs were at least smart enough to realize that they could only win by taking the offensive against a tiny, tiny fraction of the British Army and Navy.

So, okay. You'd imagine the high and mighty Americans would sweep across the frontier and take the territories of Britain. Well... not really. Not only did you uselessly lose men, but you lost a war which was honestly against British officers who were there for probably failing somewhere else, and you also lost to a bunch of militia men who were under equipped in every way. Additionally, you also lost to the Natives, who were just as important in the defense of Canada at the time. Ultimately, The Americans gained no land, and were seriously demoralized by the outcome of the war. You'd actually lost an engagement (the U.S. started, by the way) against a bunch of hunters, loyalists, aboriginals, and lonely British officers.

And the kicker. When the actual British Army showed up, they plowed through your defense and walked right up to the White House and burnt it down. So, you may not call it a lose, and I won't try and change your mind since it's an opinion and I have my own. Yet, because of the circumstances of the war, it was a major failure on the part of your military; a lose.[/quote]
everyone was taught to believe that their country was good.
 
Good? In terms of being right about everything, or in terms of ignoring actual facts as to protect the citizens' morale?
 
In defense of the US:

As far as 1812 goes, yes, we did pretty badly there. But, during that war, everybody did badly in some way. We also one the last major battle, that of New Orleans, where Stonewall Jackson pwned the leftover Brits who didn't get the memo that the war was over. And don't forget who was executing impressment on innocent American sailors, and who refused to stop even after the war was over.

As far as Korea goes, that was pretty dismal for a time too. However, we did not just get "pushed back until it was over." We got pushed back to the very southern end, but then launched a huge offensive northward which drove the Commies back to what is currently the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea. and this was a stalemate by both sides, mind you.

As far as Vietnam, yes, you're right, we failed in stopping the spread of communism. Really what happened there was Americans came to their senses and decided it wasn't our place to intervene in the development of a new government system half the world away, least of all when it was costing us lives.

Why can't we all just get along? Both the US and Europe are cool in their own ways.
 
In defense of the US:

As far as 1812 goes, yes, we did pretty badly there. But, during that war, everybody did badly in some way. We also one the last major battle, that of New Orleans, where Stonewall Jackson pwned the leftover Brits who didn't get the memo that the war was over. And don't forget who was executing impressment on innocent American sailors, and who refused to stop even after the war was over.

As far as Korea goes, that was pretty dismal for a time too. However, we did not just get "pushed back until it was over." We got pushed back to the very southern end, but then launched a huge offensive northward which drove the Commies back to what is currently the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea. and this was a stalemate by both sides, mind you.

As far as Vietnam, yes, you're right, we failed in stopping the spread of communism. Really what happened there was Americans came to their senses and decided it wasn't our place to intervene in the development of a new government system half the world away, least of all when it was costing us lives.

Why can't we all just get along? Both the US and Europe are cool in their own ways.

Did they drove them back or did they send a message to end it?
 
[quote user_id="4728495" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/MD_K47/74.png" name="MD_K47"]Without Europe, America would not exist as it does today.
Question: what was the last war America won, by its' self? (civil war doesn't count)
(not a rhetorical question, i really don't know and want an answer)
I'm pretty sure the network of alliances between countries means that no war is won alone.[/quote]
sauron beats MD on the forums! I thought MD was supposed to be smarter then sauron since he has 564 likes
 
[quote user_id="2099349" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Lord_Sauron_/74.png" name="Lord_Sauron_"][quote user_id="4728495" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/MD_K47/74.png" name="MD_K47"]Without Europe, America would not exist as it does today.
Question: what was the last war America won, by its' self? (civil war doesn't count)
(not a rhetorical question, i really don't know and want an answer)
I'm pretty sure the network of alliances between countries means that no war is won alone.[/quote]
sauron beats MD on the forums! I thought MD was supposed to be smarter then sauron since he has 564 likes[/quote]
Likes dont = Intelllect
 
[quote user_id="6887615" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Prometheus39/74.png" name="Prometheus39"][quote user_id="1406704" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/DruMaster24/74.png" name="DruMaster24"]If you look at history, America has never actually lost a war. :thumb: (We pulled out of Vietnam, we were not defeated, and it was never technically a war. The War of 1812 was just kind of messed up and confusing, but we did send the Brits packing a second time, so I consider it a victory as well.)

Just think of all those wars the various nations of Europe has lost. Oh my...

Well, that's your opinion and I can understand why you may think so. However, if you don't want to consider it a lose (concerning 1812), it was a colossal failure by the Americans. Not only did you attack Canada, or what was to become Canada, but you attacked during a time when the British were already engaged. That's a fact many Americans seem to forget. The Americans in charge of military affairs were at least smart enough to realize that they could only win by taking the offensive against a tiny, tiny fraction of the British Army and Navy.

So, okay. You'd imagine the high and mighty Americans would sweep across the frontier and take the territories of Britain. Well... not really. Not only did you uselessly lose men, but you lost a war which was honestly against British officers who were there for probably failing somewhere else, and you also lost to a bunch of militia men who were under equipped in every way. Additionally, you also lost to the Natives, who were just as important in the defense of Canada at the time. Ultimately, The Americans gained no land, and were seriously demoralized by the outcome of the war. You'd actually lost an engagement (the U.S. started, by the way) against a bunch of hunters, loyalists, aboriginals, and lonely British officers.

And the kicker. When the actual British Army showed up, they plowed through your defense and walked right up to the White House and burnt it down. So, you may not call it a lose, and I won't try and change your mind since it's an opinion and I have my own. Yet, because of the circumstances of the war, it was a major failure on the part of your military; a lose.[/quote]
everyone was taught to believe that their country was good.[/quote]


I spent my primary school learning about the great fire of london, the life of jesus and the Tudors and the Stuarts ( british royal families if you didnt know ) which, in my opinion werent really our glory days except for Queen Elizabeth I. Even now i still dont get to learn about things about my country i would want to learn like the founding of the british empire. In fact in history im learning about Germany in 1920's which was a horrible time for most people, which was kind of our fault :p

My history education hasnt really focused on our great victories but the lives of everyday people or our faults as humans.
 
[quote user_id="3800268" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Electric_Ice777/74.png" name="Electric_Ice777"][quote user_id="6887615" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Prometheus39/74.png" name="Prometheus39"][quote user_id="1406704" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/DruMaster24/74.png" name="DruMaster24"]If you look at history, America has never actually lost a war. :thumb: (We pulled out of Vietnam, we were not defeated, and it was never technically a war. The War of 1812 was just kind of messed up and confusing, but we did send the Brits packing a second time, so I consider it a victory as well.)

Just think of all those wars the various nations of Europe has lost. Oh my...

Well, that's your opinion and I can understand why you may think so. However, if you don't want to consider it a lose (concerning 1812), it was a colossal failure by the Americans. Not only did you attack Canada, or what was to become Canada, but you attacked during a time when the British were already engaged. That's a fact many Americans seem to forget. The Americans in charge of military affairs were at least smart enough to realize that they could only win by taking the offensive against a tiny, tiny fraction of the British Army and Navy.

So, okay. You'd imagine the high and mighty Americans would sweep across the frontier and take the territories of Britain. Well... not really. Not only did you uselessly lose men, but you lost a war which was honestly against British officers who were there for probably failing somewhere else, and you also lost to a bunch of militia men who were under equipped in every way. Additionally, you also lost to the Natives, who were just as important in the defense of Canada at the time. Ultimately, The Americans gained no land, and were seriously demoralized by the outcome of the war. You'd actually lost an engagement (the U.S. started, by the way) against a bunch of hunters, loyalists, aboriginals, and lonely British officers.

And the kicker. When the actual British Army showed up, they plowed through your defense and walked right up to the White House and burnt it down. So, you may not call it a lose, and I won't try and change your mind since it's an opinion and I have my own. Yet, because of the circumstances of the war, it was a major failure on the part of your military; a lose.[/quote]
everyone was taught to believe that their country was good.[/quote]


I spent my primary school learning about the great fire of london, the life of jesus and the Tudors and the Stuarts ( british royal families if you didnt know ) which, in my opinion werent really our glory days except for Queen Elizabeth I. Even now i still dont get to learn about things about my country i would want to learn like the founding of the british empire. In fact in history im learning about Germany in 1920's which was a horrible time for most people, which was kind of our fault :p

My history education hasnt really focused on our great victories but the lives of everyday people or our faults as humans.[/quote]

All I learned about my country are the VOC & WIC, Willem of Orange and the Hungerwinter. That's all. Not even that in-depth.
 
There is a reason that America is called the international police. Not because we keep things safe, its just that we have to get involved in EVERYTHING that happens.
[quote name="Prometheus39"]When the actual British Army showed up, they plowed through your defense and walked right up to the White House and burnt it down[/quote]
We also destroyed Britain in the battle of North-point by shooting your officers with sharpshooters. Did you learn about that?
I still like Europe a lot because of its rich history and the cultural variation as you travel from country to country.
 
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Dafuq is putler? And fighting bears, yeah that's Golden Compass bro, not russia
All I'm saying is, USA, I mean seriously, it's Merica
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