ithewinner
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HOW DARE YOU CALL EMPIREWAR RP "FACTION WARS''. DIE NOW! ALSO DONT FRGET ABOUT THE GIANT ASS SLIME. Only_ You make me so mad >.<
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Old EW RP Argument Thread! :D
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Okay. *stabs self
michaelrotov1234
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I disagree. You haven't seen Forlond in action yet and we had our own shares of demons (I think we have screenshots I will have to ask around). The demons went down extremely quickly; Forlond was a fortress. RP wise we believed they were so scared of us they didn't attack again. We were also planning to build a tower not unlike that of the old minas morgul in EW siege, you know how op that one was.
Ilthilien also sent forces against the demons although on a smaller scale, we would have sent a much larger force if not for the war. We had a crapload of secret hideouts you do not know of which were all defendable.
[quote user_id="5226100" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ithewinner/74.png" name="ithewinner"]HOw would I know? when I got on, there were only two signs; one said Don't mess with Ithilien the other saying WE SET TRAPS TOO[/quote]
Ever heard of the term 'false flag operation'? It is when you pretend to be an enemy or neutral party and avoid responsibility.
ithewinner
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Your point Mike? I mean really. Your faction had bunch of idiots running around in it. What do you think they'd do?
michaelrotov1234
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Someone pretends to be Ilthilien I think reddagger planted it.
My faction did not fall apart you idiot if you bothered to come online to check. I recruited people off the server and we had a pretty nice town that had tons of roleplay involved. Also, I got banned for roleplaying properly :lol: by doing what a real rebellion would compose of. Those admins were pretty pist at what I had done considering how much time they had put in those builds. Also, you told me that you were going to roleplay on A'therys, not start some pvp faction with little roleplay.[/quote]
Banned for roleplaying properly? Well looking at the fact that you got banned, it wasn't really proper roleplaying, hm?
CptBlockbeard
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Someone pretends to be Ilthilien I think reddagger planted it.[/quote]
Really? -.- Why is everything always blamed on us? There were more of your men there than ours, and from madman's shouts of false authority and leadership to our patience and kindness... Nah jk, we did it.
michaelrotov1234
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Re: Wacko
I disagree. You haven't seen Forlond in action yet and we had our own shares of demons (I think we have screenshots I will have to ask around). The demons went down extremely quickly; Forlond was a fortress. RP wise we believed they were so scared of us they didn't attack again. We were also planning to build a tower not unlike that of the old minas morgul in EW siege, you know how op that one was.
Ilthilien also sent forces against the demons although on a smaller scale, we would have sent a much larger force if not for the war. We had a crapload of secret hideouts you do not know of which were all defendable.
[quote user_id="5226100" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ithewinner/74.png" name="ithewinner"]HOw would I know? when I got on, there were only two signs; one said Don't mess with Ithilien the other saying WE SET TRAPS TOO[/quote]
Ever heard of the term 'false flag operation'? It is when you pretend to be an enemy or neutral party and avoid responsibility.[/quote]
I bet you barely had any demons, if you would have had as many as we did you would have been overrun in under 10 min.
Blackfyre were the unsung heroes who shielded the world from demon invasion. We were basically the nights watch.
Ikr. We got attacked like every in-game night. And Ithilien got attacked once and they were whining. xD
We're basically Gondor and Ithilien's the Shire.
Also LOL Wack.
And Mad, ye, that's why we'll gang them.
We're basically Gondor and Ithilien's the Shire.
Also LOL Wack.
And Mad, ye, that's why we'll gang them.
boogercraft
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unsung? I haven't seen a single person from Blackfrye not go on for hours how they fought truckloads of demons and shoving it in everyone's faces at all times ever since EW RP.
unsung? I haven't seen a single person from Blackfrye not go on for hours how they fought truckloads of demons and shoving it in everyone's faces at all times ever since EW RP.[/quote]
We wouldn't have to if we had been sung.
michaelrotov1234
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I disagree. You haven't seen Forlond in action yet and we had our own shares of demons (I think we have screenshots I will have to ask around). The demons went down extremely quickly; Forlond was a fortress. RP wise we believed they were so scared of us they didn't attack again. We were also planning to build a tower not unlike that of the old minas morgul in EW siege, you know how op that one was.
Ilthilien also sent forces against the demons although on a smaller scale, we would have sent a much larger force if not for the war. We had a crapload of secret hideouts you do not know of which were all defendable.
[quote user_id="5226100" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ithewinner/74.png" name="ithewinner"]HOw would I know? when I got on, there were only two signs; one said Don't mess with Ithilien the other saying WE SET TRAPS TOO[/quote]
Ever heard of the term 'false flag operation'? It is when you pretend to be an enemy or neutral party and avoid responsibility.[/quote]
I bet you barely had any demons, if you would have had as many as we did you would have been overrun in under 10 min.[/quote]
Sorry for the long post. tl;dr version: Forlond is a fortress unlike Cair Andros so there are major defensive advantages and we have more men that we could spare so we would not have been overrun. The demons and the admins who spawned them know this and after the first attack they didn't try again.
There is a good reason why Ilthilien didn't get attacked as many times as Blackfyre. Rpwise it is because the demons knew they should **** off. Metarp wise it is because it would be nearly impossible to take Forlond without some very obvious deus ex machinas which would require destroying a large part of the fort in the first place.
Forlond is a FORTRESS unlike the Demon Gate/Hell's Gate and Cair Andros. Ever wonder why it is so inconvenient to access? This is because it is built on a mountain and has a river in the front, it is almost invincible from the front if all the land is claimed and all defenses were in place. Any demon coming in would have to cross the Edessa bridge or get up the mountain by laddering or climbing the mountain pass and this means they can be picked off by archers. Cair Andros does not have anything like this, it's entrance is on flat land. They cannot put any siege engines in place without it being RP unrealistic as it is on a freaking cliff. The sides are flanked by mountains so you can't go through the sides either. This leaves the back. However there are large drops from the back side, which means that unless you are clever enough to think and know the terrain well you cannot scale down the back. This basically rules out the mobs which I think could ladder UPWARD due to the plugin but not DOWNWARD. And guess what? There are fortifications on the back too.
This leaves a sky attack or a ground attack. Obviously they can't rain land mobs as they would die from fall damage so there could only be blazes (We got those I think). But we have a keep dug into a mountain and also a mountain with a pool as a fallback position; Forlond is also partially underground. Good luck blasting through that. The last option is going underground and this is the trickiest, but Forlond has several components: the retaining wall where an attack from the front is defended, a circular citadel which is completely separate from the mountains so cannot be scaled, a keep, and also a mountain where human enemies would find it impossible to take as there is slowness and mobs would find it hard to take too.
To sum it up the admins have to rain TNT or do something to that effect to neutralise Forlond's defenses. But guess what? As said loads of times it is built on a mountain so they can't bring siege engines? Rp breaking!
Also we have more men than Blackfyre and could take more losses. Our men are not of lower quality than yours (a common misconception, we also have good soldiers) and hence we had the advantage in terms of fighting strength as well.
[quote user_id="3751908" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ThuBioNerd/74.png" name="ThuBioNerd"]Ikr. We got attacked like every in-game night. And Ithilien got attacked once and they were whining. xD
We're basically Gondor and Ithilien's the Shire.
Also LOL Wack.
And Mad, ye, that's why we'll gang them.[/quote]
You are the ones that are saying that you are unsung and you are accusing us for whining. Seriously? Ilthilien got attacked ONCE. Then the demons backed off. Maybe for the reasons mentioned above? We are more like Rohan particularly with the Helm's Deep like fortress.
[quote user_id="3751908" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ThuBioNerd/74.png" name="ThuBioNerd"][quote user_id="4976014" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/boogercraft/74.png" name="boogercraft"][quote user_id="3559998" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Kingjoseph1st/74.png" name="Kingjoseph1st"]Blackfyre were the unsung heroes who shielded the world from demon invasion. We were basically the nights watch.[/quote]
unsung? I haven't seen a single person from Blackfrye not go on for hours how they fought truckloads of demons and shoving it in everyone's faces at all times ever since EW RP.[/quote]
We wouldn't have to if we had been sung.
[/quote]All major settlements got attacked but Blackfyre is the only one talking about it. Let's put it another way: If Forlond fell you guys would have had no fallback position in case Cair Andros fell, Edessa would have fallen quickly (It is not a fortress) and your flank would be exposed (I am talking RP wise, the admins could justify spawning more demons at Cair Andros). Ilthiliens fought and died in Blackfyran land as well during the demon attacks and a few Dunamis also killed demons. I was there during one of the attacks on the Demon Gate.
Just remind me. Why are we arguing about highly subjective events, that happened nearly a year ago,l on a server which doesn't exist any more and may never exist again???
Just agree to disagree and SHUT THE HELL UP
Just agree to disagree and SHUT THE HELL UP
Michael, you seriously don't get how Only did it.
1. If you had a door, gate or anything else it would have been blown up by tnt.
2.Natural defences didn't really count.
3. Basically you couldn't have had any empty places.
4. They weren't like players, they spawned everywhere even inside your fortress and there were also portals.
5.Number of men doesn't really count, we had some Reddagger guys helping us defend(there was about 12+-2 of us together)and we were still pushed back and 50%+ of people died.
You can always ask Only, why he spawned them on us and not you, the answer won't be that you had a fortress.
Btw, Cair was mostly designed against demons not players although it could have been made against players too.
Basically, Forlond would have fallen very easily.
1. If you had a door, gate or anything else it would have been blown up by tnt.
2.Natural defences didn't really count.
3. Basically you couldn't have had any empty places.
4. They weren't like players, they spawned everywhere even inside your fortress and there were also portals.
5.Number of men doesn't really count, we had some Reddagger guys helping us defend(there was about 12+-2 of us together)and we were still pushed back and 50%+ of people died.
You can always ask Only, why he spawned them on us and not you, the answer won't be that you had a fortress.
Btw, Cair was mostly designed against demons not players although it could have been made against players too.
Basically, Forlond would have fallen very easily.
Cair had the town in front and the keep at the back.
The town was incredibly hard to defend once the walls were breached and they themselves were hard to defend seeing as they were huge. They would also come from the farm and we would get surrounded a bit.
The keep had 3 layers, an inner keep and back passages to Archenhall to fall back to
The demons would normally take huge losses repelling us back if we were smart. By this I mean people on the walls holding off the siege tower orcs, the ghasts, the bat zombies, the spiders, the spider zombies and Only and Tims other abominations while others held the iron door to each level without needlessly risking your life. ( I still remember when you jumped down into one of the hordes at 1st level Thalin xD )
The town was incredibly hard to defend once the walls were breached and they themselves were hard to defend seeing as they were huge. They would also come from the farm and we would get surrounded a bit.
The keep had 3 layers, an inner keep and back passages to Archenhall to fall back to
The demons would normally take huge losses repelling us back if we were smart. By this I mean people on the walls holding off the siege tower orcs, the ghasts, the bat zombies, the spiders, the spider zombies and Only and Tims other abominations while others held the iron door to each level without needlessly risking your life. ( I still remember when you jumped down into one of the hordes at 1st level Thalin xD )
michaelrotov1234
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Because we miss the server. This is the main reason we are arguing.
[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"]Michael, you seriously don't get how Only did it.
1. If you had a door, gate or anything else it would have been blown up by tnt.
2.Natural defences didn't really count.
3. Basically you couldn't have had any empty places.
4. They weren't like players, they spawned everywhere even inside your fortress and there were also portals.
5.Number of men doesn't really count, we had some Reddagger guys helping us defend(there was about 12+-2 of us together)and we were still pushed back and 50%+ of people died.
You can always ask Only, why he spawned them on us and not you, the answer won't be that you had a fortress.
Btw, Cair was mostly designed against demons not players although it could have been made against players too.
Basically, Forlond would have fallen very easily.[/quote]
1. We had MULTIPLE doors. We had 3 ultimate fallback positions (Keep, Inner Citadel, MOUNTAIN), and you can't blow up a mountain can you? (If he did it would have completely destroyed the mountain and would be a b**** to repair after the siege was over). A lot of Forlond was underground btw.
2. They do count. This prevents them from using 'siege engines' any more than rain TNT from the sky, both would be completely unrealistic.
3. Numerous fallback positions, clear areas one by one.
4. As said before numerous fallback positions.
5. Number of men does count. It takes time for men to die you know, and being a pragmatic person I would use that time when my soldiers are fighting to send a special team to do things. Like repair the gates. Reddaggers are mainly only good at archery, in close range archery would not have helped that much. I know they were good at pvp too, but is it that hard to hit that zombie knocking down that door? My main concern would have been blazes and as said before we have underground potions. Some of them would make it nearly impossible for a blaze to spawn in or make them easy targets if spawned.
Little known fact: Forlond had been attacked before.
[quote user_id="4167922" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/wacko244/74.png" name="wacko244"]Cair had the town in front and the keep at the back.
The town was incredibly hard to defend once the walls were breached and they themselves were hard to defend seeing as they were huge. They would also come from the farm and we would get surrounded a bit.
The keep had 3 layers, an inner keep and back passages to Archenhall to fall back to
The demons would normally take huge losses repelling us back if we were smart. By this I mean people on the walls holding off the siege tower orcs, the ghasts, the bat zombies, the spiders, the spider zombies and Only and Tims other abominations while others held the iron door to each level without needlessly risking your life. ( I still remember when you jumped down into one of the hordes at 1st level Thalin xD )[/quote]
Forlond is the exact opposite: It was a FORTRESS so it was designed to withstand an attack from all directions. Remember the height of the wall? Once I heard about the initial attacks I ordered the front walls doubled in height and construction of defenses in the back. It paid off. The inner citadel is completely separate from all natural features so it is unscalable; something which is not present in Cair Andros. Another advantage of the terrain is that unlike cair andros you cannot spawn a ton of mobs 'in formation', their advance would be broken into bits and easily dealt with by the terrain. Forlond's interior was divided into small sections so small groups of mobs could be easily dispatched. Oh, and btw Forlond had overhangs as well, good luck spiders.
The only thing we would really be concerned about are blazes. Having those spawn would SUCK, Forlond was not meant to withstand aerial bombing (why should it?), but we have underground potions as well and the mountaineous terrain may help.