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Old EW RP Argument Thread! :D

Michael, you don't understand what I tried to say, no fortress or idk what would hold long against them, they spawned EVERYWHERE.
3 doors? Pff, can be broken or used tnt on it.Cair had even more doors(Main gate, main gate of the keep, 2. level gate, 3. level gate, inner keep, road to Archenhall)
And how does natural defence help against witches making portals to spawn in blazes, zombies etc?Btw, your farm area was fairly flat and was a perfect spot for them and mountains were pretty flat too and they weren't that high around Forlond.
Forlond would have been much much harder to defend against demons.
And by ''Basically you couldn't have any empty spaces'' I literally meant that, if you had empty spaces they'd spawn there.
And for them, number of men didn't matter as some are stupid enough to jump in to them or just get knocked off/killed by them spawning behind. Ultimately you would run out of arrows, armour, weapons, food and you'd die.
And archery would help only a little.
Aaand what would have stopped Only from making a nice fireball rain?
 
ryanbark said:
I think it would have been cooler if the demons were in control, would have stopped the disputes between us, hmm?
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It didn't.

[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"]Michael, you don't understand what I tried to say, no fortress or idk what would hold long against them, they spawned EVERYWHERE.
3 doors? Pff, can be broken or used tnt on it.Cair had even more doors(Main gate, main gate of the keep, 2. level gate, 3. level gate, inner keep, road to Archenhall)
And how does natural defence help against witches making portals to spawn in blazes, zombies etc?Btw, your farm area was fairly flat and was a perfect spot for them and mountains were pretty flat too and they weren't that high around Forlond.
Forlond would have been much much harder to defend against demons.
And by ''Basically you couldn't have any empty spaces'' I literally meant that, if you had empty spaces they'd spawn there.
And for them, number of men didn't matter as some are stupid enough to jump in to them or just get knocked off/killed by them spawning behind. Ultimately you would run out of arrows, armour, weapons, food and you'd die.
And archery would help only a little.
Aaand what would have stopped Only from making a nice fireball rain?[/quote]

You still don't seem to get me.
I didn't mean 3 doors. I mean that there are three layers of defenses, but unlike cair we don't put our defenses in a straight line so we could hole up in multiple places. This is an advantage as it allows for a bit of flexibility.
Zombies are managable. Blazes are less so. But we have underground sections and a keep, even if they fireballed those from teh air it would not have mattered.
Not that many are stupid enough to do the things you mentioned, although it ultimately depends on who is online. If I was (which was most of the time back in those days) it would have held, or if someone similar minded to me was. Also, Forlond's spaces are generally smaller so less of them could spawn in a particular space (defeat in detail)
One of the advantages of Ilthilien is its ability to produce more stuff. Believe me, we would not have run out of armor and food before you guys did. There is a reason we could afford to build more settlements than you guys.

BTW even if Forlond had 'fallen' we had even more settlements where we could retreat to. We would simply retake it a few days later.
 
Sad thing is we had no time to build anything. I was planning to make a cool looking keep but what's thing? Oh yeah, no more wall! Also the once built catapults. F8cking catapults.
 
Re: Wacko saying Blackfyran archers are the best

Good luck winning an archery contest against Reddagger. Our rangers also regularly travelled and faced mobs, being under siege for 3 days would not greatly improve your archery skills.

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(I love this pic, I should use it every time Blackfyrans say they are completely militarily superior to everyone else. Or maybe add it to my signature?)
 
ithewinner said:
Sad thing is we had no time to build anything. I was planning to make a cool looking keep but what's thing? Oh yeah, no more wall! Also the once built catapults. F8cking catapults.
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Forlond could not be catapulted, the front is a freaking river the sides and back are mountains. That is why I located it where it was, so no one could build 'siege engines'.
 
wacko244 said:
Cair had the town in front and the keep at the back.

The town was incredibly hard to defend once the walls were breached and they themselves were hard to defend seeing as they were huge. They would also come from the farm and we would get surrounded a bit.

The keep had 3 layers, an inner keep and back passages to Archenhall to fall back to

The demons would normally take huge losses repelling us back if we were smart. By this I mean people on the walls holding off the siege tower orcs, the ghasts, the bat zombies, the spiders, the spider zombies and Only and Tims other abominations while others held the iron door to each level without needlessly risking your life. ( I still remember when you jumped down into one of the hordes at 1st level Thalin xD )
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"Toss me!"
 
ithewinner said:
Please don't post that pic of I'll post thousands of ithilein failing when it's needed most >:D
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Also the Ithilien Rangers were not meant for open combat but they loyally followed their orders, and some of them were able to escape back to Minas Tirith both in the book and the movies. Unlike Blackfyre who basically got his army destroyed. Ithilien recovered, Blackfyre did not.
 
We freaking recovered! WE HAD TO! Every night . . . demons. Night after night! During day . . . rebuild, recuperate, eat, sleep, repair! Then night again.
You got attacked . . . what, once?
 
ThuBioNerd said:
We freaking recovered! WE HAD TO! Every night . . . demons. Night after night! During day . . . rebuild, recuperate, eat, sleep, repair! Then night again.
You got attacked . . . what, once?
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More than once I think. Also I have been in one of Blackfyre's demon battles before and I have been in several other ones. There were demons all over the place as far as Athos. Ilthilien and Dunamis also sent men to help Blackfyre during the wars (Although not many), so did Reddagger.
 
I'd advise you all stop bashing on the factions of others. All main factions were massively inadequate for role-play and had no core concept of role-play in any way shape or form. The server was one huge disaster the moment people started inviting PvPers to their side just for the purpose of war. Reddagger or whatever the name was... that was a disgrace to the word: role-play.

Short answer: None of you actually committed to serious role-play, so get over who had the best military because military on role-play servers are just one big mess of OOC.
 
Prometheus39 said:
I'd advise you all stop bashing on the factions of others. All main factions were massively inadequate for role-play and had no core concept of role-play in any way shape or form. The server was one huge disaster the moment people started inviting PvPers to their side just for the purpose of war. Reddagger or whatever the name was... that was a disgrace to the word: role-play.

Short answer: None of you actually committed to serious role-play, so get over who had the best military because military on role-play servers are just one big mess of OOC.
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To be fair it would be a miracle if pure RP servers exist (I know they do but they are VERY few)

I must agree that the PVP aspect was too heavy, but remember the player base is from a pvp server and hence would think in terms of pvp. Ironically Ilthilien was better than most other factions in this respect: we did not only concentrate on military achievements, we also considered stuff one might consider 'boring' such as roads (Forlond-Cair Andros road was completely built by Ilthilien), diplomacy (To the extent that we were allied with ALL other major factions apart from during the war), trade (again related to roads, E'bar was a trade settlement) and other stuff. People wonder why Ilthilien seemed so weak, the reason was because they were attacking the civilians not the soldiers.
 
michaelrotov1234 said:
[quote user_id="7026970" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ryanbark/74.png" name="ryanbark"]I think it would have been cooler if the demons were in control, would have stopped the disputes between us, hmm?
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It didn't.

[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"]Michael, you don't understand what I tried to say, no fortress or idk what would hold long against them, they spawned EVERYWHERE.
3 doors? Pff, can be broken or used tnt on it.Cair had even more doors(Main gate, main gate of the keep, 2. level gate, 3. level gate, inner keep, road to Archenhall)
And how does natural defence help against witches making portals to spawn in blazes, zombies etc?Btw, your farm area was fairly flat and was a perfect spot for them and mountains were pretty flat too and they weren't that high around Forlond.
Forlond would have been much much harder to defend against demons.
And by ''Basically you couldn't have any empty spaces'' I literally meant that, if you had empty spaces they'd spawn there.
And for them, number of men didn't matter as some are stupid enough to jump in to them or just get knocked off/killed by them spawning behind. Ultimately you would run out of arrows, armour, weapons, food and you'd die.
And archery would help only a little.
Aaand what would have stopped Only from making a nice fireball rain?[/quote]

You still don't seem to get me.
I didn't mean 3 doors. I mean that there are three layers of defenses, but unlike cair we don't put our defenses in a straight line so we could hole up in multiple places. This is an advantage as it allows for a bit of flexibility.
Zombies are managable. Blazes are less so. But we have underground sections and a keep, even if they fireballed those from teh air it would not have mattered.
Not that many are stupid enough to do the things you mentioned, although it ultimately depends on who is online. If I was (which was most of the time back in those days) it would have held, or if someone similar minded to me was. Also, Forlond's spaces are generally smaller so less of them could spawn in a particular space (defeat in detail)
One of the advantages of Ilthilien is its ability to produce more stuff. Believe me, we would not have run out of armor and food before you guys did. There is a reason we could afford to build more settlements than you guys.

BTW even if Forlond had 'fallen' we had even more settlements where we could retreat to. We would simply retake it a few days later.[/quote]

The underground places would have been the first to be overrun in lots of cases. We had demon portals in our mine and below our underground prison. Demons don't use logic btw. It's not just orcs! There's ghasts and weird mutant things me the occasional giant in the heart of your defences. Iron swords would break as would about 3 stone over the course of the battles. Also if you can reproduce new iron/leather armour for everyone in Forlond every day then you must have got very lucky with mining :p .

http://youtu.be/3DnrCCCbPsc this is what would happen if demons invaded you! :thumb:
 
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