Michael Kargeth would have had access to full diamond as I bring diamonds to wixxi wixxi makes armor for kargeth, You have no clue where wixxi is You cant kill him.
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Old EW RP Argument Thread! :D
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Ugh Ithilien was just too . . . big.
And ye, Kargeth and RedDagger were just basically a bunch of people freaking strip-mining for diamonds and they just cared about PvP and winning.
Well, except for Captain and I guess Leo was both that and an rper. And Polar.
And ye, Kargeth and RedDagger were just basically a bunch of people freaking strip-mining for diamonds and they just cared about PvP and winning.
Well, except for Captain and I guess Leo was both that and an rper. And Polar.
We rarely stripmined.
Mhm. And yet you had a ton of diamonds. -.-
And Ds, big doesn't mean good.
And Ds, big doesn't mean good.
we had little diamond but me and wixxi were experienced miners
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Lol, Russia is worse xD
Lagy_Paladin/Andrew
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This is the perfect description of health in America.[/quote]
Lol, Russia is worse xD[/quote]
yea all of them drunkies XD but America eats to many cheese burgers...
michaelrotov1234
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1. We would have sent riders out the minute we knew about your plans you would not have intercepted them as you had no calvary and there are multiple routes out. Blackfyre (20 men) would have been with us and so would Dunamis (10 men) and Athos (10 men), this means we have at least 80 men (Ilthilien has 40 men). On the other hand Edessa had around 10 men. Reddagger MIGHT have joined you but I doubt it, I don't see them as bending to the needs of ONE member and they were also informally allied with Ilthilien and even if they did they had around 8 men or less. So basically you guys would have been outnumbered 4:1 in the best case and 8:1 in the worst case. I know you would say quality is more important but we were not a bunch of noobs, the only 'good' people you had were gym, yourself, perry and MAYBE wixxi.
2. Forlond is a fortress, and you are attacking. Your whole plan forces you to take Forlond in the first place and kill the people there, but when you cross the bridge you would have taken heavy fire under our archers. (You can't move and shoot at the same time, the moment you stop you are a stationary target in point blank range). Assuming you haven't died by then you would have faced a wall, you COULD tnt the door but hte moment u get in we repair it behind your back once u move in and you are trapped. Even if we couldn't repair it we still have a keep, an inner citadel and a mountain, it would take more tnt than you have to get the first two and if we make our stand on the mountain you wouldn't have taken it, the moment ur heads show u would have been shot to death as you couldn't move due to high gravity. The only way you could take Forlond is if we ran out of arrows. Also blowing forlond up would require more tnt than you have.
3. Meanwhile Blackfyre and Dunamis would have been coming south when your guys were attacking Forlond. They would attack Edessa first, and if you left a garrison behind you would be put in the situation where you have to both defend a siege against a superior army AND siege a fortress with equal or less numbers than the enemy. You could either go back to Edessa and behind your puny wall, abandoning all of your gains, or you continue attacking and Edessa gets taken. So basically you are either trapped on a bridge heavily outnumbered and with your enemies in fortified positions with nowhere to run as your settlement is now occupied, or you are in a less fortified settlement under siege and no supplies could get in. At this point the southern Ilthilien army from Ilthilia, E'bar and Lhauron would also have arrived and so you are surrounded either way. As for 'blocking all the passes', you would not have had enough men to do so and even if you did they would have been destroyed by the Blackfyrans as they moved south.
Ye, between Kargeth and Ith, I'd've chosen Ithilien, so you'd have also had six or so able-bodied Dwarves.
michaelrotov1234
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So you were not speaking your real opinion before this post?
Forlond was still populated just when you were not on. As for everybody13 he gave a different impression of Blackfyre's stance to me, so I hope he would clarify this situation (I frankly don't believe he would let Kargeth finish Ilthilien off, it would put Blackfyre directly under threat even when we were fighting each other and we were allied most of the time). As for the opinions of his men:
[quote user_id="3751908" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/ThuBioNerd/74.png" name="ThuBioNerd"]Ye, between Kargeth and Ith, I'd've chosen Ithilien, so you'd have also had six or so able-bodied Dwarves.[/quote]
Also Dunamis and Athos are under Ilthilien, they would have been like the ANZACs of WW1 and so we would be able to muster more men than you could. To put it in a simpler way, you would be fighting the whole server instead of just Ilthilien, which would already be a mouthful.
You might have superior pvp skills and armor, but your armor is not much stronger than ours (Most of our guys were in iron) and more people means more arrow fire. You did not have artillery as far as I know, even if you had it you could not deploy it against Forlond due to terrain, and the first thing we would have done is blow up the bridge. This forces you to go behind the back and come under fire from our back towers while you can hardly move due to gravity, or go through the front where you get shot to death when you climb up the narrow stairs. As for arrow fire, we simply duck behind the walls and shoot back. We would not have taken Edessa but Forlond would still be in our hands, and while you are occupied with us Blackfyre, his bannermen and Dunamis simply take you from the rear.
Basically even when not all are online, we have at least double your numbers and we have a fortress. Arrows do not break walls.
michaelrotov1234
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Our allies: Basically the whole server.
Our 'bannermen'/'fiefs'/'Associates': Dunamis, Athos, Thysduin (Basically their relationship is like UK and Canada/Australia in WW1)
OK, I am going to speak my real opinion on Ilthilien. First of all, you guys think that some huge battle is going to happen that involves 100 people. NO IT ISN'T. YOU guys had barely anyone on after the FIRST WEEK. You guys had hardly anyone living in Forlond anymore and Ilthilia was in ruins. Second of all, Blackfyre would not have helped you guys after the war. I had talked to 13 and he said he was cool with me as long as I didn't directly help you guys. You could probably muster 10-20 people online at once at MAX and we could probably get around 10. You guys would outnumber us, but we would have superior firepower and pvp skills and armor. We would take it from a distance and destroy you guys. If you guys crossed, perry,wixxi, gym, leo, and I would just cut you all down to the last man.[/quote]
The server wasn't open for over a week. -.-
And that's just cuz you basically assembled the PvP team which is so meta I can't even describe it. You & RedDagger.
Ikr; no one likes Kargeth. 
Wow . . . so they're like your colonies. <_<
xD
Ik, dominion. Still <_<
Wow . . . so they're like your colonies. <_<
xD
Ik, dominion. Still <_<
michaelrotov1234
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Ikr; no one likes Kargeth.
Wow . . . so they're like your colonies. <_<
xD
Ik, dominion. Still <_<
No, they were not colonies. They were self governing territories and they could sent representatives to the council, they were an integral part of Ilthilien and all of their members were treated equally. They basically could do anything they wanted apart from a common foreign policy and military, they could have their own trade agreements etc and different towns did not interfere with each other if they didn't have to. Obviously there would be some 'national projects' such as roads but we had no disagreement among those.
Anyway my point was Ilthilien's strength was greater than akam imagined.
Yeah, so a dominion. Like Canada. Or South Africa. Or NZ.
michaelrotov1234
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Yes but much more tightly linked. The Ilthilien Empire was different from Ilthilien, which was one of the 4 territories (Ilthilien, Dunamis, Thysduin and Athos had the server lasted 2 days longer) of the empire. Ilthilia was the capital for all 4 territories, so there would be no equivilent of Ottawa or Canberra (no provincial capitals).
There were 3 types of towns:
1. Ilthilien town, basically founded by Ilthilien. This includes all Ilthilien towns built.
2. Colonies, again founded by Ilthilien but with self governing status similar to that of option 3. This was Dunamis.
3. Incorporated territories. Basically people found a town in what we percieve as our territory, we want our territory to stay intact and therefore we invite them to join Ilthilien. They would only need to swear to Ilthilien, follow our foreign policy and allow our troops to stay and pass (basically they didn't have to send troops if they didn't want to but they had to extend hospitality to Ilthilien troops). In return they would have gotten protection and trade, and basically we wouldn't attack them. If they refused they would have had to settle somewhere else or we would invade. (We were lucky we never had to test that, there was plenty of land for all). This was Thysduin and Athos (Athos was a bit different we would not have invaded if they didn't join as we no longer claimed the deep grove)