Olog hai

[Pythonawe]

Olog hai could not even fit through the keep entrance, since the entrance was 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide, barely enough for a horse to fit through. Why are they allowed past the keep? Not to mention not even a single Olog-Hai stepped foot on the fort in the battle, both proved by the book and movie. Also, with 40 players on Uruks, with that retarded 5 orcs to one troll ratio, you get overwhelmed by 8 plus trolls, plus pikeman and crossbowmen. I hardly EVER see rohan win, usually with 20 or less people.

I suggest that Olog-Hai's can bash the gates, though like the "forcefield" thing with balrog, they cannot go into the keep. I would also make the troll ratio 1:10 or something reasonable, where there is not dozens of trolls capturing every flag unchallenged. (With 40 orcs, there is 8 trolls. In the real battle, there was no trolls in the fortress, and if they should be there, then limit them! In a real battle, it could be 10,000 uruks and 2,000 trolls with THIS RATIO!)

 

[Pythonawe]

(Addition: Trolls would still be able to bash, just not go past the entrance to go to the keep.)

 

[oddballgild]

You're just saying this cause I killed you with troll.

 

[Gelek]

So trolls would be able to bash the gates....
And that's it? I don't think this should be changed, because whenever rohan lasts till the part with rohirim, they win.

 

[Pythonawe]

You're just saying this cause I killed you with troll.

You and many others, ya. Not to mention you betrayed your team 2 minutes into the game, as soon as the front flag was captured you where like "Screw this, too much effort. I will play an easy class because I dont want to get my ass kicked by trolls"
[quote user_id="3262925" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Gelek/74.png" name="Gelek"]So trolls would be able to bash the gates....
And that's it? I don't think this should be changed, because whenever rohan lasts till the part with rohirim, they win.[/quote]
Trolls accumualte most of the kills, and they are the strongest class in the game. Removing them in parts that aren't lore supported or realisitic would help add more realism to the game aswell as give Rohan a chance. Any person with common sense and basic knowledge of a measurement system would understand that a Olog-Hai (Larger then trolls, 14+ feet) could not fit through a 10 foot tall opening.

 

[fj333]

Olog hai could not even fit through the keep entrance, since the entrance was 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide, barely enough for a horse to fit through. Why are they allowed past the keep? Not to mention not even a single Olog-Hai stepped foot on the fort in the battle, both proved by the book and movie. Also, with 40 players on Uruks, with that retarded 5 orcs to one troll ratio, you get overwhelmed by 8 plus trolls, plus pikeman and crossbowmen. I hardly EVER see rohan win, usually with 20 or less people.

I suggest that Olog-Hai's can bash the gates, though like the "forcefield" thing with balrog, they cannot go into the keep. I would also make the troll ratio 1:10 or something reasonable, where there is not dozens of trolls capturing every flag unchallenged. (With 40 orcs, there is 8 trolls. In the real battle, there was no trolls in the fortress, and if they should be there, then limit them! In a real battle, it could be 10,000 uruks and 2,000 trolls with THIS RATIO!)

erm NO!, why would we want this, rohan already owns the uruks at the keep and if we remove troll then it will be impossible for the uruk-hai

 

[Pythonawe]

[quote user_id="4867771" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Pythonawe/74.png" name="Pythonawe"]Olog hai could not even fit through the keep entrance, since the entrance was 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide, barely enough for a horse to fit through. Why are they allowed past the keep? Not to mention not even a single Olog-Hai stepped foot on the fort in the battle, both proved by the book and movie. Also, with 40 players on Uruks, with that retarded 5 orcs to one troll ratio, you get overwhelmed by 8 plus trolls, plus pikeman and crossbowmen. I hardly EVER see rohan win, usually with 20 or less people.

I suggest that Olog-Hai's can bash the gates, though like the "forcefield" thing with balrog, they cannot go into the keep. I would also make the troll ratio 1:10 or something reasonable, where there is not dozens of trolls capturing every flag unchallenged. (With 40 orcs, there is 8 trolls. In the real battle, there was no trolls in the fortress, and if they should be there, then limit them! In a real battle, it could be 10,000 uruks and 2,000 trolls with THIS RATIO!)

erm NO!, why would we want this, rohan already owns the uruks at the keep and if we remove troll then it will be impossible for the uruk-hai[/quote]
Actually, rohan gets rekt as soon as the gate is broken, by 2 charges or trolls and orcs. Rarely does rohan EVER hold the keep, and when they do that is with 5 constructors working constantly to repair it.

 

[Lagy_Paladin/Andrew]

well you see guys rohan has more op classes. for bow spammers anyways. and bow spammers happen to be a little smarter than your standard noob. so when the keep comes they might consider playing constructor.
with power IV bow i can spam trolls and everybody all the way down the ramp to there spawn if no crossbow men are on. and sometimes even if they are. but most the time they are defending wall instead. but yea rohan can hold them all off
and the uruk-hai can capture keep. my last 10 games have been very balanced. we got to the keep and there was 12 minutes left of the game they broke threw at 5 minutes left till rohan horses show up and it was a very very close game. we almost lost. the keep was at 40% captured when we rode out. some games it was at like 80% there are those games where all the good players go rohan and elven archer. and there are those games where uruk-hai get a good balanced force of pikemen and trolls and crossbow and smear rohan. but most the time (70%) they have a very balanced game.
only thing it needs would probably be a crossbow/pikemen limit and a shieldsmen class for the uruk-hai. i think that would perfectly balance it

 

[fj333]

[quote user_id="6858712" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/fj333/74.png" name="fj333"]

Olog hai could not even fit through the keep entrance, since the entrance was 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide, barely enough for a horse to fit through. Why are they allowed past the keep? Not to mention not even a single Olog-Hai stepped foot on the fort in the battle, both proved by the book and movie. Also, with 40 players on Uruks, with that retarded 5 orcs to one troll ratio, you get overwhelmed by 8 plus trolls, plus pikeman and crossbowmen. I hardly EVER see rohan win, usually with 20 or less people.

I suggest that Olog-Hai's can bash the gates, though like the "forcefield" thing with balrog, they cannot go into the keep. I would also make the troll ratio 1:10 or something reasonable, where there is not dozens of trolls capturing every flag unchallenged. (With 40 orcs, there is 8 trolls. In the real battle, there was no trolls in the fortress, and if they should be there, then limit them! In a real battle, it could be 10,000 uruks and 2,000 trolls with THIS RATIO!)

erm NO!, why would we want this, rohan already owns the uruks at the keep and if we remove troll then it will be impossible for the uruk-hai

Actually, rohan gets rekt as soon as the gate is broken, by 2 charges or trolls and orcs. Rarely does rohan EVER hold the keep, and when they do that is with 5 constructors working constantly to repair it.[/quote]
well, i have seen the keepgate broken for like a 100 times and rohan stood his ground, i dont know why and where you got this information from but of the 100 times I played helms 100 times rohan won

 

[Ajroets]

[quote user_id="4867771" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Pythonawe/74.png" name="Pythonawe"]

[quote user_id="4867771" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Pythonawe/74.png" name="Pythonawe"]Olog hai could not even fit through the keep entrance, since the entrance was 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide, barely enough for a horse to fit through. Why are they allowed past the keep? Not to mention not even a single Olog-Hai stepped foot on the fort in the battle, both proved by the book and movie. Also, with 40 players on Uruks, with that retarded 5 orcs to one troll ratio, you get overwhelmed by 8 plus trolls, plus pikeman and crossbowmen. I hardly EVER see rohan win, usually with 20 or less people.

I suggest that Olog-Hai's can bash the gates, though like the "forcefield" thing with balrog, they cannot go into the keep. I would also make the troll ratio 1:10 or something reasonable, where there is not dozens of trolls capturing every flag unchallenged. (With 40 orcs, there is 8 trolls. In the real battle, there was no trolls in the fortress, and if they should be there, then limit them! In a real battle, it could be 10,000 uruks and 2,000 trolls with THIS RATIO!)

erm NO!, why would we want this, rohan already owns the uruks at the keep and if we remove troll then it will be impossible for the uruk-hai

Actually, rohan gets rekt as soon as the gate is broken, by 2 charges or trolls and orcs. Rarely does rohan EVER hold the keep, and when they do that is with 5 constructors working constantly to repair it.[/quote]
well, i have seen the keepgate broken for like a 100 times and rohan stood his ground, i dont know why and where you got this information from but of the 100 times I played helms 100 times rohan won[/quote]
Rohan usually stands their ground when there are a bunch of elvens shooting at whatever walks through the gate. If we added a shielded bashing class, it would help solve that problem. They would be able to walk into the keep and cover their allies, but wouldn't be as strong as olog hai melee.

 

[EnderNicky]

Since when do we put limit on point classes?
If you want the server to be completely lore supported, remake erebor, black gate, minas morgul, and so many more facts that are not in the books/movies.

 

[Ajroets]

Since when do we put limit on point classes?
If you want the server to be completely lore supported, remake erebor, black gate, minas morgul, and so many more facts that are not in the books/movies.

Since Nazgul, and maybe Balrog? But besides those, I think we get your point.

 

[Pythonawe]

This is an easy fix, as remaking erebor is not. You should know that xD

 

[MetObij]

Without the Olog-hai, the Uruks would never have enough pushing power to capture the keep/caves.

Also, why make a suggestion when Tibbles is in Rome? Not very smart if I may say so :I

 

[EnderNicky]

I know that remaking erebor isn't possible, and I'm fine with that.
My point is, which Aj noticed, is that this server is not going to be ever lore supported, as that would make it harder and more stressful on tim.
Therefore, because it is "lore supported" shouldn't be a valid reason to make change.
Personally, I don't think tim will ever change this, it would be too much work for him and not many people would be happy, compared to adding a new map.

 

[Pythonawe]

Without the Olog-hai, the Uruks would never have enough pushing power to capture the keep/caves.

Also, why make a suggestion when Tibbles is in Rome? Not very smart if I may say so :I

That's the point. Even with a whole team of orcs, they rely completely on this noob class to power through. Adding a heavy Orc class is realistic and also ologs couldn't even fit through the keep entrance! Nor did one ever step foot In the foot... Ologs are relied, because they are OP as hell. Why not remove them and just add a realistic Orc class instead of keeping this noob class
Ended, where talking about helms deep and trolls, not erebor if you care.

 

[Necroth]

I'd like to weigh in here.

I believe that Troll should be kept in the match. Simply because, as an elven archer, i can easily take down a troll (not sounding cocky, but i use the bow well). Even when it was: 2 Uruk swordsman and a troll; it was basically a 3 v 1 , but I managed to win against all 3. Your probably asking "So... what's your point?". Well my point is. If you take away troll, it will seem easier for rohan to win, especially when it's "good point classes" against the regular/vote classes.

 

[Lagy_Paladin/Andrew]

when 50 people were on there was once 13 trolls. that was how i got my 12 troll killstreak with strength boost. so fun XD

 

[!!!!!cool_col!!!!!]

Normally I would argue pythonawe, but noob class? Isn't it being a noob if you play the weak orc class? You can't be a noob for playing a stronger class. yes you might be a noob if you claimed your so much better then everyone when you get a 12 killstreak as troll, but playing a class isn't being a noob. And seriously, if this server was realistic to the books and movies trolls would have full DIAMOND ARMOR AND RESISTANCE III AND THERE WEAPON WOULD INSTAKILL AND THERE ROCKS WOULD HAVE A 5 BY 5 RADIUS! Ok, rage over

 

[Pythonawe]

Normally I would argue pythonawe, but noob class? Isn't it being a noob if you play the weak orc class? You can't be a noob for playing a stronger class. yes you might be a noob if you claimed your so much better then everyone when you get a 12 killstreak as troll, but playing a class isn't being a noob. And seriously, if this server was realistic to the books and movies trolls would have full DIAMOND ARMOR AND RESISTANCE III AND THERE WEAPON WOULD INSTAKILL AND THERE ROCKS WOULD HAVE A 5 BY 5 RADIUS! Ok, rage over

Actually, if It was REALISTIC, we would need AT LEAST 500 players on to accumulate the REAL RATIO. This class is a noob class, The only class, that is not even lore supported, by the books, movies, and other trusted resources. The class is way to relied on, so much that without this noob class the could not capture the glistening caves. I know that it is a pvp server, not a RP server, so lore doesn't matter that much, but any person with common sense and knowledge of the customary measurement system could comprehend that a figure that is 12+ feet low side could not fit through a 10 foot gap. As I said earlier, this server is somewhat reliant on basic knowledge of the books, movies, etc. it is relied on. Olog-hai's did not step foot in the fortress, whether you like it or not cool_col, neither could they fit through a opening that small. It appears as if you have neither common sense nor knowledge that 4th graders know, so rage all you want.