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can someone tell me what the old Rp server was like
these demons that attacked peoples towns and all the rules how the game was played custom plugins etc. ?
lol scared? building a simple cover from arrows just means you are using your head to think instead of to get shot with :P
 
Look, this thread has completely derailed. All of you stop arguing about stupid stuff, like how you should have attacked a town that doesn't even exist anymore.
 
Anrza said:
[quote user_id="5455627" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/michaelrotov1234/74.png" name="michaelrotov1234"]

I do NOT intend to pursue this matter any further as it is frankly pointless, if RP opens again Ilthilien will most likely not be back even if it is it will not pursue anything before the reopening.

I doubt the claim that everyone is 'less skilled than you', nor are you skilled enough that 'everyone combatlogged once you came on'. As for not attacking me that time I clearly remember we were both in iron (My diamond armor broke) and the standoff lasted for 5 minutes during which you fired a few arrows. This was the closest we ever came to actual combat (thinking back if we actually fought we would have both died by lava). If you were that confident everyone was 'less skilled than you' a noob in diamond would not be much of a challenge.

The problem is not the killing, it is why you did it and how you viewed it. Guerilla tactics certainly have their place but you tend to... inflate things a bit. Neither has anyone ever known why you attacked: Reddagger said that they did not authorise an attack, you took way more food than you needed to and did it constantly and there was no value whatsoever in blowing up the infrastructure (Sauron most likely allowed you to as he thought that you belonged to an enemy faction, but as said above Reddagger did NOT authorise your actions, neither did they achieve any sort of strategic value)

As for your claims that your purpose was food and gear, you took way more food than you needed to and it did not justify the murders.

Anyway the thread has derailed I suggest we open another thread to discuss if you wish to continue.
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Eh... the less skilled part... well, a mean way to say what I mean would be linking Wikipedia's sarcasm page.

I did not at all claim that everyone combatlogged when I came on, but if you would've seen what I saw, people disappearing wherever I turned at a few occasions, you wouldn't consider a similar claim farfetched.

As for our staring contest, I have only two memories which you could be referring to.
1) Once when I was in the mountains east of Forlond - shooting at several people
2) At one occasion, when I was spying on you from southwest of the city

It sounds like it was as much of your call as it was mine. I really doubt I would've hesitated if we were in equal gear and you were alone. You probably had people behind you.

And... seriously, will you ever get the reasons why I kill/stole/blew up?
I needed food and gear and you were a personal enemy. Especially after the incident I described in my last post.
And no, you have really no idea what my food situation was like so just stay off that subject. I was good sometimes, but I used a lot too.[/quote]

We only met once ingame with no other men on either side and equal gear in Forlond (I had lava buckets but you would not have known, I only took the bare minimum because I planned to use lava to kill you and maybe make it out but I most likely would have died), staring lasted for 2 min then i gtg.

I know what your food situation was like and I knew Forlond's food supply, it was designed for 20 men and a portion of it allowed me to sprint all the way down the Erduin to the delta. As for me being a personal enemy if it was justifiable you could justify 'personally enemying' anyone and killing them, and everyone would do the same as an excuse, and then next thing you know we have an anarchy pvp server. Your actions seemed more like griefing than anything else tbh (destroying food supply while the faction you were in was not at war with us, blowing up stuff, killing people with no reason (You didnt have to kill them for supplies)).
 
GymLeaderVolkner said:
Agreed Also we would have destroyed ithilien By the cover of darkness. The bridge falls its up to archers we would have YianniC and his archers we build tower we shoot and kill you you cant get back we take forlond. A major strategic posistion fro going down the erduin you would have never been able to get back to your other cities where you would then hunker down for a long siege you would have had little to no chance
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1. Ilthilien originated from 'Ilthilien Rangers'. By rangers we mean that we have good archers as well and it also means that we are used to guerrilla tactics (those anrza killed were mainly civilians), your 'cover of darkness' would not have worked. (Most of them left now though after RP closed). Reddagger, the only archer force which could have turned the tide against either side, was behind us or at least not on your side, I highly doubt the archer squad would have easily defeated the rangers.

2. Assuming you took the bridge now what? The bridge was narrow for a reason, it allows for it to be easily blown up. Even if you took it without it being blown up our men would still be behind our walls which had a perfect view of the bridge (If you play the bridge in moria you would understand how difficult it is to cross and aim back, our archers only have to aim at one spot or a narrow area while it would be hard for you to aim back, and you are dealing with a walled fortification instead of flat land on the other end it would be 10x as hard). A lot of your guys would have died crossing that bridge or fallen into the river where they have to climb up the mountain pass which is dangerous in itself even when no one is shooting at you. Also Forlond is a FORTRESS, we had siege towers in mind assuming you could build them as we claimed around the fortress as well and if there was any room to build siege towers at all (Forlond was built on a cliff there were like 3 blocks between the edge and the wall), and your men have to build the siege tower in the first place, you can't build and shoot back at the same time.

3. Assuming you took the outer wall by your tower or other means (You could have scaled the mountain, wall was mainly to prevent you guys from deploying calvary, allow a clear view of the bridge and pass and also protect us against mobs, but it was an obvious flaw and there were only a few ways you could get down without dying which could also be covered by archers and would be sealed off) there were several lines of defense. One of them includes the mountain next to Forlond which would have been untakable unless we ran out of arrows and food and all of us logged off, and there was the circular inner wall.

4. Even if you do take Forlond we had several escape routes which you would not have known or noticed. Forlond is not the only crossing across the Erduin. Also the other settlements are manned. You would be at a numerical disadvantage which is a nightmare scenario for the attacker, you would have to worry about supply lines (remember you have to ship all your food from Blackfyre and Edessa, all of our settlements have farms behind our walls), and you would be shot at as you built your siege fortifications from scratch. Also by the time you take one of our settlements it would have taken so long that there would be no element of surprise. Again this assumes you know where all our settlements were. You don't.

5. All of the above assumes that we would have simply waited until you came to our gates. Remember we had the numerical advantage? When you guys were busy attacking Forlond we would simply send men from other settlements and take your settlements from behind (We have calvary as well, and unlike Forlond calvary could be deployed in your settlements). I know you would have left guards but if that happened you would not have enough men to take forlond and vice versa. A likely scenario would have Edessa besieged by an Ilthilien army and maybe taken (it is not a fortress and getting through the back is easy), then you would have been pinned on an uncovered bridge with archers on both sides.
 
Ahem I was on ithilien and rp (no one saw me) I was making a hidden fort for ithilien of about 10 blocks thick
 
GymLeaderVolkner said:
1. Rebuild it
2. If they built cover that means they are scared which is what we want. We would simultaneously force them to amass at forlond by taking over the other cites except forlond by killing 1 or 2 but then prevent them, from getting back while a larger force attacks the same city to take out the rest. once conquered it would get burned as that is what would happen to it. If they leave forlond unattended they are defeated.
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1. Rebuilt it as you guys are getting shot at? Believe me, the only way you could take Forlond short of an epic fail on the part of Ilthilien (Even blowing up our fortress wont work as we have a defendable mountain, have fun blowing THAT up or scaling it, the gravity plugin means you get up real slow but it doesnt affect arrows, you will die pretty quickly) is to have us run out of arrows before you run out of men. Let's just say that would not have happened.

2. Seriously? You are assuming that the top brass of Ilthilien could be scared by a rain of arrows. The only thing we would be scared of is being blinded if the MC sun suddenly emits a solar flare and your pathetic rain of arrows cant block it out and therefore unable to give any commands as we can't see whats going on or if a creeper shows up on our doorstep IRL. 'killing one or two of them' wont work either, people die during wars. You think Ilthilien would abandon its settlements by having a few guys killed? Also I remember clearly that one of the first things I did once we had multiple settlements was to ensure that there would be no time when everyone is massed at forlond and therefore get slaughtered if the worst comes to pass. Basically Ilthilien would never amass at Forlond unless something VERY bad happened AND the order was given out to do so. Even then some of our men would go hiding outside Forlond in case everyone gets slaughtered in the last stand.

Your plan does not take into account the scale of Ilthilien. We had settlements and allies in Deep Grove in the form of Athos and Reddagger. Neither of them were friendly towards Blackfyre during the war. As you know, the Deep Grove is a forest kilometers wide, you would not have been able to find us there. Even our conventional settlements outnumber yours, in all siege situations you want a larger number than the defender to compensate for the lack of fortifications or the need to build them. Your population is smaller than ours, so you cannot split up your forces, yet if you don't the settlements which are not besieged will send soldiers out to raid your towns while all of your forces are besieging one town, and then we would burn Edessa down. You don't even know where all of our settlements were, and we had hidden fortifications as well.

Basically no matter what you did, although the costs would have been great for Ilthilien you guys would have lost.
 
MD_K47 said:
Tooo many words!!!!
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tl;dr version: Ilthilien was too large and Blackfyre and Edessa would have been flanked. It would have been like Germany VS USSR in WW2. Ilthilien rangers were not weaker than the archer squad and Reddagger was not on Blackfyre's side. Edessa's strength was negligible apart from akam and gym.
 
Not quoting the Demon War screenshots it would have been too long. Anyway it was from the FIRST demon battle, so they would not have known that it would have happened, hence why it did not happen in a fortress. As for fortresses there was no fortress which had a significant advantage, Cair Andros is not exactly a fortress (My point isn't that it is undefendable I know Blackfyre resisted the demons multiple times there, just that it is not that suited to the task), the only fortress in that sense would be Forlond IF the Forlond tower was built.
 
michaelrotov1234 said:
[quote user_id="4728495" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/MD_K47/74.png" name="MD_K47"]Tooo many words!!!!
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tl;dr version: Ilthilien was too large and Blackfyre and Edessa would have been flanked. It would have been like Germany VS USSR in WW2. Ilthilien rangers were not weaker than the archer squad and Reddagger was not on Blackfyre's side. Edessa's strength was negligible apart from akam and gym.[/quote]
Reddagger wasn't exactly on Ilthiliens side either(Anyone from Reddagger feel free to correct me) and most of your ''rangers'' we're quite noobish with bows.
 
Not sure on my facts here, but I think it was anzra that did this.

Ithilien was going to arrest and put him an jail for his crimes, and he was like: 'I don't think I will be going to jail actually' and enderpearled away like a badass.
 
madmanxtreme said:
[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"]Ilthilien wasn't strong.
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Ilthilien was the strongest.[/quote]

I would say that it was ONE of the strongest. It was this attitude which got us into the blackfyre war.

[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"]
madmanxtreme said:
[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"]Ilthilien wasn't strong.
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Ilthilien was the strongest.[/quote]
Not really,Ilthilien was chaotic and disorganised.[/quote]

And yet we are the only faction still standing currently.

[quote user_id="3559998" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Kingjoseph1st/74.png" name="Kingjoseph1st"]Not sure on my facts here, but I think it was anzra that did this.

Ithilien was going to arrest and put him an jail for his crimes, and he was like: 'I don't think I will be going to jail actually' and enderpearled away like a badass.[/quote]

Never heard of anything like this and doubt it happened, if someone confronted Anrza he would have resisted arrest rather than be captured, he would have killed the guards or be killed during the fighting. Also if we caught Anrza he would have been killed, we don't want a murderer in our walls. Jail is only a temporary measure to hold someone till trial, if you keep them in jail they can't enjoy the game as they would be stuck there.

[quote user_id="5701130" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Hentz/74.png" name="Hentz"][quote user_id="5455627" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/michaelrotov1234/74.png" name="michaelrotov1234"][quote user_id="4728495" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/MD_K47/74.png" name="MD_K47"]Tooo many words!!!![/quote]

tl;dr version: Ilthilien was too large and Blackfyre and Edessa would have been flanked. It would have been like Germany VS USSR in WW2. Ilthilien rangers were not weaker than the archer squad and Reddagger was not on Blackfyre's side. Edessa's strength was negligible apart from akam and gym.[/quote]
Reddagger wasn't exactly on Ilthiliens side either(Anyone from Reddagger feel free to correct me) and most of your ''rangers'' we're quite noobish with bows.[/quote]

The people you called 'rangers' were not actually rangers in the same sense that you can't say all Blackfyres were part of the archer squad. We could aim at nearly point blank range and the bridge and pass were narrow, even a noob could do it. On the other hand we could spread out our forces (much harder to aim while everyone is shooting at you) and have them duck behind fortifications.

Reddagger may not have been allied with Ilthilien during the war (I think they unofficially were only during the war but after a year I can't remember) but they were certainly anti blackfyre at that point. The war started because some reddaggers persuaded a few Ilthilien to raid Cair Andros led by someone who is also quoted in this post, claimed himself to be Forlond's leader, and slightly confident. (No points for guessing who it is).

That said the most important factor to a specific battle is which side has the most guys online. Sad, but true.
 
Could an admin please lock the thread? Bloody hell, you've all gone too far with which faction was/is better.
 
michaelrotov1234 said:
I know what your food situation was like

As for me being a personal enemy if it was justifiable you could justify 'personally enemying' anyone and killing them, and everyone would do the same as an excuse, and then next thing you know we have an anarchy pvp server. Your actions seemed more like griefing than anything else tbh (destroying food supply while the faction you were in was not at war with us, blowing up stuff, killing people with no reason (You didnt have to kill them for supplies)).
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Please tell me what my food situation was like, and tell me how you know it.

Dude, seriously. You weren't a personal enemy. None of the individual players of Forlond were personal enemies. But Forlond itself was.
You were a bunch of noobs with crappy roleplay that kept killing me. The second or third day on the server, I had a "trial". It was alot of bla bla bla and then I payed some symbolic amount of money and I was freed of all charges. The next day I actually joined the faction. I'm in the faction for a few hours, then some übernoob comes online and tries to kill me. It is decided that I will have another "trial", with the same case as the day before, and it's basically all chaos. It's the same people online this day too, and I tell them to say that I already did this and that I shouldn't have to do it again. The noobs just stand there and pretend they don't hear me. The quality of your "trial" is so poor, that I, after listening to a lot of arguing of who should be the judge, etc, get kicked out of the faction and gets brutally slain while saying "stop, wait".

Tell me why I should not have personal issues with these idiots.
 
Hentz said:
[quote user_id="5455627" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/michaelrotov1234/74.png" name="michaelrotov1234"][quote user_id="4728495" avatar="https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/MD_K47/74.png" name="MD_K47"]Tooo many words!!!!
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tl;dr version: Ilthilien was too large and Blackfyre and Edessa would have been flanked. It would have been like Germany VS USSR in WW2. Ilthilien rangers were not weaker than the archer squad and Reddagger was not on Blackfyre's side. Edessa's strength was negligible apart from akam and gym.[/quote]
Reddagger wasn't exactly on Ilthiliens side either(Anyone from Reddagger feel free to correct me) and most of your ''rangers'' we're quite noobish with bows.[/quote]

Well, I recall us RedDaggerians trying to stay on Ilthilien's side throughout the war by implementing spies in Blackfyre ( You guys thought I was a Blackfyrian Innkeeper :| ), although this was quite hard after the Forlond trouble with Anrza and the livold3000 killing spree in the Deep Grove... after that confusion RP closed and we were unable to carry out our future plans. So I guess you are right, we weren't "exactly" on Ilthilien's side either, most of them thought we were all like Anrza (No offence Anrza :P).
 
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